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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 15:07

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EternalRose · 20/02/2013 15:52

He saw a number I had written down for RISE. He says adamantly that he has never been abusive to me, he said he has done a few bad things but not abusive.

I am absolutely broken today and have a headache because I have been crying so much.

He said, for his physical and emotional wellbeing he needs to be without me, with 'limited contact'.

He has punched me in the head before, and broke his hand. Apparently I had hit him first, but my recollection of that incident is a bit sketchy so I am not too sure on that one. But he was arrested and put into a cell overnight and was cautioned.

In fact he thinks I am the emotional abuser, and I am the aggressive one. I admit that I have been a screaming, hysterical mess during arguements and I have lashed out but only because it has felt like he was twisting everything I was saying, and making me frustrated.

I physically cant cope anymore, feel suicidal.

EternalRose · 20/02/2013 16:17

And so far I have got nowhere with WA support.

Called them 5 times yesterday, didnt get through. Called them today, got through was given the number for RISE, an organisation in the next county that deals with domestic abuse. Called RISE 6 times, couldn't get through. Called just now, and they have given me a number for another organisaton to call...

Feel hugely unsupported and isolated. Just want to go to sleep and never wake up.

Noonelistens · 20/02/2013 16:24

ER could you and talk to your doctor or health visitor - at least so you can speak to someone face to face. They might be able to put you in touch with someone local or a counsellor that you can talk things through?

FairyFi · 20/02/2013 16:37

oh Eternal very sad to hear you are so down right now Sad

I know that WA are very very busy, but you really need to speak to them, and not be relayed to yet another number.

He will, of course, always deny his responsibility and blame you, that much we can expect, but just because he does that it doesn't mean we have to take his responsibility in this.

If he has punched you i the head so hard he broke his hand!!!!!!!!!!!! you are at risk, seriously.

Certainly not alone tho, with all the ladies on here suffering/ed different and similar. We're all here to offer support wherever we can to help you feel stronger and to move away from him. (((big hugs))) hun.. you take care... xxxxx Do WA have outreach services in your area? Oh and, there are the occasional phone advisors who really shouldn't be doing this! but others are absolutely wonderful and will do everything to help and support possible. Hang on in there, its bloody tough, but do keep going and call more. The more ppl you tell in RL the better support and real this will feel, as in where the boundaries lie.

((more hugs))) take care xxx

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 16:52

EternalI don't have any practical help or advice for you, but Fi is right, you are not alone.

With previous dv on record, could you not call police and have him removed, get some breathing space?

TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 17:29

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EternalRose · 20/02/2013 18:03

I lash out and hit him during these 'discussions' maybe I really am the abusive one here.

:-(

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 18:35

Eternal I don't think that you really believe it's you with the problem.

He's just done a bloody good job of twisting everything, he wants you to believe he's the victim.

He's not!! He's an abusive twat.

(((Hugs)))

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/02/2013 20:33

I am Shock about the voicemail leclerc, but it is indeed great that your dad has heard this for himself. How is dd2 at the moment r.e London?

Comedy central here today: FW has had a valentine's card and poem through the post. I know he hasn't sent it to himself as it isn't his writing and there are spelling mistakes in it that he wouldn't never make.
First he asked if I'd sent it (!) and then said I'd have to come home soon as he'd be snapped up! I told him to fill his boots and reeled off a few potential candidates, asked him if he'd been using too much Lynx... He then asked who was doing the winding up as he wasn't getting the insane jealousy he wanted. I honestly felt nothing other than amusement as there are no feelings left.
Unfortunately, it went sour with dd as she told me he'd shouted at her for spilling some milk. He told her she was lying, so she came and whispered to me that she wasn't. Then he went off on one, saying he wasn't having this and she could go back home with me. Cue tears from her. I got them ready for home and then he picked her up and hugged her and started trying to comfort her. I told him he was messing with her emotions as he had done with me.
Then got the " Oh it's all my fault, isn't it?!" Yes, FW, it IS all your fault!
I have also been told I won't be welcome in the house after the divorce, to which I replied "No problem!"
He actually thinks after that performance that dd will still want to spend 2 days away from me to go and visit the dsds. I doubt that very much!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/02/2013 20:33

*wouldn't ever Blush

TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 20:41

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/02/2013 20:44

How long are they away for?

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/02/2013 20:52

Hugs, Leclerc, for you in the empty-seeming house. The voicemail is classic. Hope your dad is able to keep it, or record it/download it to somewhere to keep a copy safe, for future use if needed. No problem with recording them without their knowing here!!!

Rose - how are you doing now? Hope you are feeling a bit better and that got through to someone. Could you go and stay with someone for a few days, to give you a bit of head-space?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 20/02/2013 21:04

listens, I felt just the same back in October as you do now. I had a feeling things weren't right, but no convincing (to me) evidence in my just-started journal. I felt so frustrated that I couldn't sort the whole thing out in an evening and KNOW what was going on! It took a couple of months more of reading, journalling, thinking, and a bit of talking to selected people about some of it, before I had the confidence to recall that I had sensed his behaviour was "not right" for years. That, and the shock other people had at things which seemed petty to me, has given me strength. Hold on in there. x

Leclerc - Shock at the voicemail. Thought coincidences like that only happened in novels and films!

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/02/2013 21:25

leclerc Shock at the voicemail! Do you reckon the TOD had a paw in it?!

Bertiebassett · 20/02/2013 21:26

LeClerc the answer phone message rang so many bells with me! FW is always NOT turning his phone off...then putting it in his pocket or bag where it rings me and I get to hear 5 minutes of him walking somewhere, or chatting with someone. That fact that your DF got an argument...about you...is surely an added bonus Smile

I keep thinking that were actually lucky to have mobile phones now. Through them we have evidence of FWittery. Only today I decided to show family some of FWs texts. There were a bit Shock especially at the one where he suggested the 'real reason' I wasn't prepared to give him his 'pay off' early...because deep down I didn't really want him to leave... Yeah right...of course it's nothing to do with the fact that I'd be blooming crazy to give him his share of the equity before he actually moves out!

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minkembra · 20/02/2013 21:32

er hang in there keep trying.
If you are really not coping call the samaritans they are there to talk when you need them.

And you always have us.
I have the same thing sometimes. details are hazy and i start wondering if i was hostile or uber nippy or overly critical. it us hard not to criticize though when for example i could see him stuffing up his relationship with his older kids. but then i think...is he reasonable? Does he ever really apologise? And how come i get on fine with everyone except him and yet he falls out with people regularly.

foolonthehill · 20/02/2013 23:09

ER that is the problem with emotional abuse so often it is the one suffering from the abuse who looks like they are behaving the worst.
If you can take a step back and detach, imagine your DP in his own bubble with his words and actions hitting the inside of the bubble but not coming out at you, write them down, name them but don;t own them. Once we stop reacting to the things that they do and say it is easier to see what is going on. Their behaviour keeps us doubting ourselves and losing ourselves in reaction rather than action.
You will get there lovely lady, and keep posting and reading.
You are not mad, he is bad, (and we are dangerous to know Wink)

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foolonthehill · 20/02/2013 23:12

leclerc I love your life (no, not really but you know what I mean) every time you do a really difficult thing that you feel conflicted about and (I imagine) sometimes bad about, your own lovely FW does something completely crazy that totally affirms you in your action. Not only this but he shows his true colours to your main support!! (and if he carries on like that to his own best support too!)
Gain strength from this.

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FairyFi · 21/02/2013 01:12

how do they do that, where do they go to learn this stuff, is so bloody true. I always looked like the one behaving weirdly, not trusting what was being said to me. I wouldn't even begin to know how to 'manage' someone in that way, it does make me think how strange and deviated their minds are to contrive everything, absolutely everything.

Sitting in the dark here with DD wondering whether we're off to hospital; so hoping this is the last parting shot of bugs for the winter now Sad the out of hrs doc is just taking hours to get here!

hurrah for your FW shooting himself in the foot Leclerc

Hope you ok eternal?

thinking of you maggie hope you doing ok, just not seen you for a bit.. hope that might mean busy packing up and going? xx

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