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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 08:10

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Bertiebassett · 20/02/2013 08:15

Hello everyone Smile

Been a while since I posted...I've been busy at work...and everything at home is reaching the crescendo that I knew it would...

On the good side. DS seems absolutely fine with FW moving out, the mortgage company have agreed to transfer it to my sole name, and the CSA have organised FW's payments incredibly quickly.

On the bad side FW refuses to talk to DS about moving out (despite DS's requests!), and is playing the victim soooo much it's driving me crazy. I'm getting texts from him in the middle of the night about how broke he is, what an awful childhood he had, how sad it is that HE wont be able to buy a big house for him and DS, or take DS on holiday....and how fortunate I am to have family with financial sense security to help me out.

Anyway...his self pity is driving me to distraction...

I've not been able to catch up much on this thread...but welcome to all newbies!

Pony that's great news about the house! It must feel like things are really moving on for you now? Has the division of finances been sorted?

LeClerc it sounds like you're in the midst of it all...I'm glad that your DS is ok. It sounds like he knows exactly what's going on...amazing how intuitive they can be at such a young age...

TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 09:11

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/02/2013 09:19

Maybe show her the Bill of Rights from the top of the thread? Would it help to show her how far from that he is? Or would it be going too far? Poor dd2 and poor you having to negotiate this leclerc.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/02/2013 09:20

I mean, navigate this (I think!)

foolonthehill · 20/02/2013 09:27

Hi all,

the received wisdom for the DCs is that you have to teach them to see abuse away from their family member (father) ie in the media, in films, in books etc. It's too confusing to point it out in someone they love and ends up being muddled up with their feelings of hurt and confusion and can backfire on us. They need to see the abuse for themselves rather than be shown it IYSWIM so DD2 will come to see it eventually but she may keep the Dad defence up on the surface much longer than she actually feels it because it's what she wants to see and believe.

well done all for the steps you are taking to see what is going on and to deal with it.

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MrsMorton · 20/02/2013 09:42

I'm on hols from work (I would rather be working) and I was looking fwd to going to the post office, shoe repairs and having a coffee, then hopefully phoning my mum for a chat.

H is driving me to the post office now, no coffee. Not allowed out today, I'll have to cycle extra miles when I'm back at work to get my shoes fixed and I can't talk to my mum. In fact I have to sit in the kitchen for now until he decides we can go.

In better news my closest friend is home so at least I feel better even if I can't make any phone calls.

Hissy · 20/02/2013 10:18

Bertie Switch the phone off at night love. Only switch it on when you get up and feel like it and delete ALL his texts without reading them. tis the only way.

Don't let him get to you. HE DID THIS, now he has to leave.

MrsMorton Can you not tell him you'd rather take yourself off, save him the bother... I remember 'not allowed out' Sad I ended up with agoraphobia, please don't let him do this to you? Get up now and go out. Please?

MrsMorton · 20/02/2013 10:26

Hissy thank you, I can't it just doesn't seem worth the hassle although I have been allowed into the sitting room!

It would be laughable really if it wasn't so humiliating...

Hissy · 20/02/2013 10:32

WTAF? You are aware how utterly idiotic a situation that is, aren't you?

What plans are you making to get out of this? what can you do? can your mum help?

You have a right to be in any room you like, go anywhere you want.

What ARE the consequences if you decided to go to a non-permitted room? what would happen if you went OUT?

Where the hell are you?, do you have a WA nearby?

WHEN you get out, you WILL laugh about it... in time. Others however will ALWAYS find it horrifying.

This is no way to live MrsM, it really isn't.

But you know that already, that's why you are here.

Keep posting, keep talking, and try telling others, can you tell your GP?, your mum?, your friend?

Hissy · 20/02/2013 10:32

Sorry, that was a bit of a ramble. I've been out of my abusive situation 2 years and clearly forgotten how bad it can be.

MrsMorton · 20/02/2013 10:34

Hissy I have taken huge steps in the last week by telling my mum and my two best friends, I need to build momentum though because my resolve keeps slipping although we are approaching tipping point where I really feel that soon I will leave the "orbit" that I feel trapped in.

I know it's ridiculous, that's why it's so hard to tell people, H is so lovely and wonderful when we're out or with other people, last night we had the step children over and I almost wanted to beg them to stay... it was such good fun and like the early days when we first met.

I know, I know, I know...

TisILeclerc · 20/02/2013 11:05

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DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 11:20

For all you amazing ladies that have got out, or managed to get fw out, were any of you in rented accommodation?

I am lead tenant on our agreement, although the dd comes out of fw's account.
If I were try to get the dd changed to my account would the letting agency need to do credit checks etc again?

I have been out of work since january, although I have received a decent amount of money this week from a ppi claim, so I can easily afford to keep the home running.

It wouldn't bother me to move out, although I would rather not disrupt dd2 (3).

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/02/2013 12:11

Hi DFOD I would imagine if you wrote to your landlord with the change of bank details it would be routine. If you wanted to put the contract solely in your name they might require credit checks for the larger amount that you'd become solely responsible for. Depends probably on your relationship with LL, if there's an agent involved etc as to how much you tell them.

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 13:02

Thanks Breathe
Agency involved as Ll lives abroad. Not sure how much I would need to tell them, could I not just request a change of account for direct debit?

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/02/2013 13:16

I think if you can be sure your OH won't inform them, then maybe just write a brief factual note informing them of change of bank account. Legally you prob should inform them if your OH leaves but you could let them know some time after the event perhaps when it's a done deed and they've seen you've paid regularly etc. this is only off the top of my head so maybe check with someone you trust in RL!

Noonelistens · 20/02/2013 13:24

leclerc I'm sure it will take DD2 a while to unlearn her bad habits (as it will all of us) Fool has given you soem great advice though. Perhaps you could talk through relationships on tv/films as they come up?

MrsM telling your friends and mum is a huge step. Well done. I've still told noone apart from on here, although my H is not as controlling as yours. ie I can go in whichever room I want, it;s just not very pleasant if I choose the 'wrong' one.

I'm wavering big time today. I can't get out of my head that looking at and photographing his phone is wrong and sneaky and not what I would want in a relationship (although I generally leave mine lying around and wouldn't be bothered if he did look as I've nothing to hide). Also I've been keeping a diary for 3weeks and when I read it back a lot of what I;ve written sounds so petty. More unhappy relationship than EA.

The only big thing is his refusal to tell me why he is taking DD to the doctors today - other than to say it is her feet and I should be able to see for myself what's wrong, Otherise it's lots of little things like calling my bottom fat (it's not), looking me up and down in a sarcastic way, refusing to buy something that I requested in the weekly shop, turning up the tv volume when I'm talking to him.... nothing really cruel and mean just low level nastiness.

I suppose I'll just keep recording and watching for evidence of an affair and see what happens. Somehow I feel like the bad guy and in the wrong and I was feeling so much more postive and clear headed earlier this week Sad Have also agreed to go away for a weekend that I don't really want to do but couldn't think of a reason not to (and he had already decided that he was going and so it was case of either come or stay at home alone with DD which would probably be preferable but would have caused an almighty sulk)

Sorry for whinging

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 13:25

Thanks again Breathe I am going to dig out original docs incase there is something in there.

Mrsmorton would you be able to stay at your mum's?

MrsMorton · 20/02/2013 13:39

It's too far from work. I have made a resolution though. Details to follow! HOS(HOS=husband over shoulder!!)

minkembra · 20/02/2013 13:44

leclerc you are brilliant and ds is brilliant. why are the so very young often able to see it clearly.

Dd2 will come round eventually. but daughters often dote on their dads no matter what.

My exes eldest was the same for long enough but no so much now after almighty power struggle last couple of years. she has been supportive of me though without us ever saying anything overt other then it us better over. (she did once wade in on my behalf at age of 12 very courageous!)

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/02/2013 13:44

Listens everything you describe sounds serious, not petty. It sounds awful. We minimise what's happening to us just to get through the day.

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 13:45

Noonelistens I know what you mean about things sound petty when you read them back, I think that's why I have done nothing for so long, even know I wonder whether I am showing narcissistic traits as I am no longer prepared to accept blame for the state of our relationship and for wanting things on my terms. We are currently on day 4 of a sulk because I dared to criticize comment on his dangerous driving.

Fw has spent the last 3 nights on the sofa, I have not cooked for him, answered the phone, processed invoices, done any of his laundry, bought any food for him, during the outburst before the sulk, he was raging how I do nothing for him, the business etc, his rows are always sweeping statements, can never give specifics when challenged.

I do feel that maybe I am being petty, deliberately cooking and eating early before he gets home from work, but then I'm only doing (or not doing) what he already claims.

DoFuckOffDear · 20/02/2013 13:49

HOS Grin
Or HOOHA - Husband out on his ass Grin

MrsMorton · 20/02/2013 14:39

HOOHA one day!!