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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin


Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!




Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Lahti · 19/02/2013 21:26

charlotte Smile I know but it is do ingrained into me. At least I recognise it now. I feel like I need to freeze time until I have spoken with the counsellor again so that I don't weaken in my point of view. Interestingly he hasn't mentioned any if discussion about our relationship at all tonight. I am guessing he will bring it up at 11pm when I just want to fall asleep.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 19/02/2013 21:41

That would be my FW's tactic, too. Go to bed at 10:30pm to beat him at his own game! :o

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EternalRose · 19/02/2013 21:44

I see someone else also has a partner that likes to bang on and on about the conspiracies.

My partner has been very very nice to me during my relationship but he has also been very mean. I actually dont think he is a bad person, but he does have a lot of issues, clearly.

My plan is to allow my enlightenment to simmer in my head over the next few months, read books on the subject matter, start my CBT when I eventually come off the waiting list, and lose my weight. I have increasingly become fatter and fatter and now I am realising why my diets have never worked. I almost always felt the need to comfort eat. My enlightenment will be life-changing, I can see it now. It's as clear as day.

I start my training towards a professional career in September so will need to relocate for that. So, it will somewhere between now and then that I physically leave him.

Writing it all out like that does give me a pang of guilt and I feel scared about being a single mum because I have zero family support, but I feel that I need to have faith in my feelings and myself for once in my blimmin life.

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Lahti · 19/02/2013 21:48

Am in bed now with a 'headache'. Am reading as many links as possible ^^ to keep me focused. On the 20 signs you are dating a loser my H scored 16... Bloody hell I do pick em. Just done Dr Irene's red flags for abusive behaviour and low self esteem... That was sobering reading. I cannot believe that I have spent so long considering going to the Drs for anti d's and googling 'how to be a good wife' am so annoyed with myself.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 19/02/2013 21:57

Argh.. I tried the submissive wife thing for a while to see if that would make me more content with my lot. Not sure I could actually tell the difference between contentment and depression at the time, though.

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NoraLuca · 19/02/2013 21:58

Just checking in... I don't have the internet in new house, so only come on MN when I'm staying with H & the girls. Don't like posting from work in case the Boss has some sort of mind control way of checking our internet history. Can't read the whole thread properly and respond to everyone but thinking of you all and hope it all works out Thanks

Noone I have a silent FW too. He can go for ages wearing a face like a smacked arse, not saying a word. He says nothing is wrong, when it blatantly is. He won't tell me what's bothering him, I'm supposed to guess. Then, I can guess what to do to make everything OK. Now and then he goes ballistic and smashes any poor object that comes to hand, or goes into a sweary horrible rage. Feck that, I walked out Grin still on a bit of a high here Grin

Tieredconfusedmummy don't be cross with yourself, maybe you need to take your time making your decision so that later you won't have any regrets.


Don't have a fridge yet but luckily the house is so cold that I don't need one Grin all sounds rather Dickensian Grin but a relative is giving me a fridge, will bring it over at the weekend.

The DDs still don't want to stay overnight with H without me. DD1 could probably be persuaded but not DD2. I don't want to take DD2 home because not sure what DD1 would think about that. DD1 is only 6 so can't really express what she's feeling all that clearly yet. H did used to spend quite a lot of time with the DDs before we split up, but not things supervising mealtimes and bedtimes and that. Quite a lot of changes for everyone to get used to.

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NoraLuca · 19/02/2013 22:01

Charlotte maybe submissive wife is OK if you have a perfectly lovely husband who puts your wishes before his own and is guaranteed to always do so, always. If you have a FW on the other hand... you'd risk squishing down your personality and not being happy but unable to leave the situation.

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FairyFi · 19/02/2013 22:21

Mr Nice!? Who's he? Sad Charm reserved for everyone else...

v. worried about why I put up with it for so long Hmm others noticed small changes that I was just so busy minimising and normalising its sickening...

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Noonelistens · 19/02/2013 22:34

charlotte I want to see the phone partly as proof for me but also to show to a solicitor. I wouldn't show to family or friends as I think that would be wrong and I'm desperately trying to keep the moral high ground. I think the main reason is that he's so good at persuading me and others that he's perfect and I'm bad that I want concrete proof that he cannot dispute. Is that crazy?

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TisILeclerc · 19/02/2013 22:36

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EternalRose · 19/02/2013 22:40

How do you all feel about dating again? I feel terrified if I am honest. I am hoping to work on myself before I dive into anything but I seemingly cant se the wood from the trees where men are concerned Confused

FairyFi Did you have an abusive childhood, Dr Irene says it is quite common to see women in abusive relatonships since they have never had a sense of self.

Charlotte I too tried the submissive thing, and I thought it was contentment but I think it was deep depression really.

Nora Thinking of you.

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FairyFi · 19/02/2013 22:57

sense of self or no eternal he was responsible, I might have been lucky, I might have been unlucky.. I was unlucky Sad like all these other ladies, some good childhoods, some not.

To answer your other generral question.. no .. no datin for me. I really would really rather stay on my own while I work this out for myself, similar to you.

very cool Leclerc yep, tis scarey, but I think you've definitely done the right thing by them. I hope it all stays quiet for you, but no harm being on alert, you know him best about that... take care xxx

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/02/2013 22:57

Leclerc, good for you spending the email. I hope you manage to weather the storm. I pray it never happens that I need to cease contact for my dc as I would be terrified to do so.

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/02/2013 22:58

*sending

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NoraLuca · 19/02/2013 23:14

EternalRose I'd love to meet someone else but the thought of a serious live-in relationship scares the life out of me. As does the thought of casual relationships. Hmm I'd be so happy to meet a nice guy. I also worry I'll meet a grade A bastard and launch into another catastrophic relationship and find myself another 10 years down the line with a few more kids, loads more ishoos and a future as a crazy cat lady... how do you meet blokes, anyway? I've forgotten.

FairyFi maybe you just wanted to save your relationship and tried to make yourself accept things? When you're on the outside it's easy to see what the person should be doing, but if you're in the middle of a complicated relationship with a FW who you love, or used to love, it's not easy at all to know what to do. IMO, anyways.

Leclerc fingers crossed for you.

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BreatheandFlyAway · 19/02/2013 23:17

leclerc well done, you are a great mum and very courageous.

Dating? Right now I feel like never, never again. The thought of letting someone else into my and dcs' lives who might lay the ea trap under another guise is far too frightening. As Fi says, I will concentrate on working things out for myself/ Also mainly on kids, health and family. I'm not a good picker due to childhood events, certainly.

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TisILeclerc · 19/02/2013 23:20

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EternalRose · 19/02/2013 23:22

Leclerc Sending you a virtual hug.

Nora I also worry about all the same things you do. I have always said to myself I only want the one child but now I am wondering whether the thought of having more children with FW was what I didn't like. Casual sex also worries me because I do not want to be used for sex and I worry that this is what happens with this sort of thing. I have always been a relationship or nothing type girl. I havent really thought about the living with another man thing in a lot of detail, but already I can tell I am not keen on the idea.

Maybe us ladies should all move in together, in one big house Grin

Fairy Dont be hard on yourself for putting up with so long. The last few days it has been really hard for me to own up to the fact that I may be in YET another relationship that is abusive. I always thought abuse was the 'obvious' kind, rape, name calling and hitting really. But that's only just the start (I know that now) You have become enlightened now and that's the main thing.

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FairyFi · 19/02/2013 23:45

I would really hope enlightened, and I see the good place you are coming from eternal I wonder in terms of any potential future relationship, I am now frightened, yes, thats the right word match as although possibly enlightened, I'm not sure there's anything stopping it happening again, apart from 'stopping' !

I was thinking, just to take things even slower. Now I think no, these things are carefully timed to ensure the step up once feet well and truly under table, and each time I think of a measure of protection, I can also know their way through that Hmm Hmm I am STILL convinced that there are only a couple of decent guys out there, so I can sort of see where my problem might be Confused ! Blush Grin

I hopeyou can get some rest Leclerc its not an easy place to be, having missed many nights of sleep myself over such things, but you are all locked up safe, and good idea to leave email til morn (that kept me up all night too!). take care xxx

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ponygirlcurtis · 19/02/2013 23:45

Thinking of you Leclerc - I hope, in a way, that he emails soon, so you can get that bit over with. You are a fab mum.

And everyone else - thinking of you all, although am off to bed now.

Not heard from Maggie for a few days - all ok (relatively speaking), chick? xx

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EternalRose · 20/02/2013 00:49

Hmmm, remind me to never look at FW youtube account again.

Just had a look at his comments on videos going back a few years, and some of them are racially offensive. Even moreso offensive is that FW is white and I am not, our daughter is mixed race.

What a mess.

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minkembra · 20/02/2013 01:04

Dating. I will probably give it a go. I always say fall off a horse get straight back on another one. not that he was a horse! GrinWink

smarten up a bit get a profile up on a site that isn't POF. ex is on there and have heard bad things. start with a bit of chat for practise.

I have no problem with casual. i don't really want to introduce anyone new to the family but the odd date/ booty call would be ok Wink

I'd really like to meet someone normal and contented but these things take time and i am fairly realistic about how many women my age there are with failed relationships online.

was single apart from casual things for a couple of years before i met ex. but before that i had one very long term bf who was lovely. everything my ex isn't. gentle shy loving. Broke my heart when it ended.
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i still dream we are together and nearly cry when i wake up- didn't always dream about him it was just latterly when things were bad with ex. sure its not really old flame i was missing just what he represents.

And had one other lovely bf after that but was not ready.

so i do know there are good men out there.
and I'm not going to let experience with ex make me tar all men with same brush.

I think i may have subconsciously picked ex cos i thought it wouldn't last and I'd survive if he left as he was different from previous bfs... i just thought it would be fun for a few months and then burn out...and then somehow....it didn't.

Need to do some work so i don't make same mistakes or reactive mistakes in future.

And also not set too much store by men.
I am fine on my own. a nice man would be nice but not essential.

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minkembra · 20/02/2013 01:17

er that is horrible. but it is all their insecurity. they pick on others to try to make themselves feel superior.

Ex claimed it was his work culture and i think that his work mates did normalise a lack of respect for women and minorities.

Sad to feel so insecure about themselves that they only feel better putting others down.

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minkembra · 20/02/2013 01:18

Am rambling again. must be bedtime.

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