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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembra · 04/03/2013 21:37

Teddy of doom??

match sigh. I suspect that is what it is about he thought I was trying to change plans to suit me.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 04/03/2013 21:38

Lahti - he's crazy and EA. hth :o

mink - I'm shocked, although I haven't a clue why: they are not HIS access visits; they are the children's!! Although of course any self-respecting FW would think the world revolves around him...

3 hours per week, though. I wish my dcs got that much time with him now - and we're not yet separated. I'm maybe just resorting to my usual doormattish tendencies, but I'm not sure fighting it will get you anywhere - if he feels he's pushed into it, he will resent it and your dcs could suffer. Whereas 3 hours a week might be an amount he can actually play "good dad" in, which is all to their benefit. In the end, it's his responsibility to make sure the dcs have time with him.

I will have the same sort of issues re not being able to set a regular time and I think I will try to set a time limit of how far in advance I'll allow him to set up access times, eg day before is too little warning for the dcs, although FW will think it totally reasonable.

pony - :( That is horrible. He really has the emotional depth of pond scum, doesn't he?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 04/03/2013 21:47

x-posted with your decision to take a stand, mink - not trying to dissuade you!

snow - I don't think you played into his hands as such - after all, he was always going to do what he wanted, wasn't he? However you behaved and whatever you did? The fallacy that we could/can influence their behaviour is just that - fallacy.

BreatheandFlyAway · 04/03/2013 21:49

mink, Leclerc's ex sent her a highly suspicious (well, we had fun with the idea of that on the thread, anyway Grin) giant teddy. Last heard of, was residing in the shower cubicle - is he still there, Leclerc?!

Bloody hell, re access, my fw just wants to take over and control every hour of the dcs' lives Sad. FWs seem to occupy the very ends of the spectrum, don't they, never the happy middle.

snowshapes · 04/03/2013 21:58

Yes, the only difference is now he can say well, there is nothing else he can do, I ended the relationship, remember.

Anyway, I need to come back to my previous post. I'm not sure that DC1's dad was a FW. He behaved badly, and irresponsibly, and we were probably ill-matched, but there were none of the controlling, manipulative, bullying elements which I experienced with STBXH. I didn't have the debilitating sense of anxiety and dread, and he respected my physical boundaries. So, my previous comment was unfair. Whereas STBXH, I could read the Lundy list of signs to beware of, and tick practically every box.

snowshapes · 04/03/2013 22:06

Sorry, x-posted. Thank you Charlotte, I think you are right and somehow I always knew this deep down, that the relationship would only work if I did what he wanted, and was the person he wanted, and somewhere along the line I realised that wouldn't work, because it also meant moulding my DC1 from previous relationship, and losing myself.

FairyFi · 04/03/2013 22:15

Just home from 'heavy' meeting, so sorry not able to read throu allposts, just skimmed lightly, and normal service rsumed shortly kinda thing!

MrsM thats the weird thing, off edge of cliff felt more like a leap of faith rather than pitching to my death, that I managed myself and was very disconnected from him, and I think it reflects a siutuaiton that occured over the w/end with him trying to enforce/pressure/take advanatage of siutaiton aain to get hiis wants pushed across, but I felt, although still squirming in his company, whats the latest label? . .ummm... greasy something.. yeah makes skin crawl, don't wanna be near type feeling, but even so, just stayed with myself and was able to hear, but not be drawn in.. so possibly the dream reflects that.

You're sounds very deep and personal and scarey too? I have heard the term hooovering in terms of an abusive tactic too, but I don't know what it means.

Mink I take the line of giving least opportunity for FWittery, if it can't be managed then tighter controls around contact to limit it even more (and this was a police suggestion), that ensures consistency for DC. for me, that means zero communication, as any communication results in him running off at the gobby, nasty abusive entitled gob! as a prelude to him feeling free to inflict rage upon innocent bystanders [me and dc]. So its now pared back to one weekly visit, life is calmer. He's a FW! he use to have far more. He's a FW! Grin Grin

xx

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minkembra · 04/03/2013 22:44

thanks all. I shall await his response. sometimes when he thinks things over he is reasonable. no really. it is just as shame he has to get sweary first. alas it was ever thus.

if he does not budge, I will not budge either this weekend. next weekend he is working Saturday. But I am flexible about Sunday. weekend after he is working both days (but is welcome to see them Friday) and the one after that I am away with the dcs.

if after that he has not budged then he can go back to 3 hours on Saturday if that is the best he can manage. it really is his loss.

he used to manage the other dcs overnight and all weekend sometimes. it may not have been the most engaged childcare in that it involved a lot of telly and cinema but they all coped. and my dcs would love to be allowed telly all day Hmm

I would quite like to have the kids on Sunday if he will not anyway as it is mother's day. they have (worryingly) offered to make me breakfast.

who knows perhaps he will decide to be nice and take them on Sunday and bring me a mothers day teddy of doom. Grin

Leclerc- i wonder what range of vision said teddy has. I would have to see if I could persuade a man Shock to walk about in front of it. preferably part clad. cannot see how said man (m:) could be talked into this without looking suss though-
Ok so i would like you to walk past my shower cubicle in your boxers.
m: why?
just because.
m: ok. hang on a minute there is a teddy in there.
yes I know.
m: why am I doing this again?
well...erm the teddy has a camera in it and...
m: you mean you are filming this? what kind of a weird teddy in shower pervert are you...I am not doing anything to that teddy...
no, no it is not like this...you see...

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BreatheandFlyAway · 04/03/2013 22:48

Mink Grin

I don't know why, leclerc but I have a but of a soft spot for TeddyofDoom. I know, I know, he'll treat me like shit and take me for granted after the initial few weeks of lurve Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 04/03/2013 22:49

Woah, "but of a soft spot?" now that's kinky -BIT of a soft spot FFS!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 04/03/2013 22:49

Fi - you feeling any better this evening? That dream - positive in a really weird sort of way!

mink - :o :o

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BreatheandFlyAway · 04/03/2013 23:03

Ah leclerc hope you're not in for more upchucking Sad - I feel your pain, we've had gastric flu (me), Broken finger (DS) and second bout of severe tonsillitis (DD). I look like shit, so much so that people have started commenting on how tired I look (my friends, not random people being bitchy IYSWIM!) But you know the most annoying fecking part of it? After two weeks of severe gastric flu, I have lost just 1lb Angry How? Why?

You'd think I'd get at least a bit of weight loss out of it all. To the point where I have wondered if fw has sabotaged the scales (not really), bloody things, I kicked them hard this morning - am I an abuser Wink

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BreatheandFlyAway · 04/03/2013 23:20

dammit Grin

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FairyFi · 04/03/2013 23:34

very weird flights of teddy fantasy ladies! - also very funny Grin Grin

I do, thank you charlotte it was grim getting up and showered,lightheaded and shaky and hurty, but hot shower, tablets and warm clothes and I made it out. Do feel much better now. Yes I think dream was unexpectedly positive... I think the element of surprised myself was the same in reality over the wend experience. lovely posts to GB btw, and Ihope its helping with your decisions too x

so sweet dreams to all, gonna try to keep feet on ground tonight. xx

TheSilveryPussycat · 04/03/2013 23:39

what a lovely set of posts this evening, serious, silly and supportive all in one.

I can't believe I actually went away, virtually on the spur of the moment, and I didn't have to arrange it myself.

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MrsMorton · 05/03/2013 06:45

I'm at the station loling at teddy of doom. Perfect, odd gift though!!

I think my head would pop if it wasn't for MN and this thread (which I notice is rapidly filling up). Some really scared people have had some very valuable help from people on here.

FairyFi · 05/03/2013 07:41

gosh, you are at the station early MrsM !

s'gonna be a balmy 14 today ladies... first signs of usual Easter heatwave?

FairyFi · 05/03/2013 07:42

hope you can catch up tonight Tis my eyes a bit 'stalky' last night after only 5 hrs snooze!

MrsMorton · 05/03/2013 07:43

It's a lovely day. I was on the late train today!!

Fingers crossed for good weather this weekend, although as a general rule I really dislike weekends bcse I usually do something wrong or get woken up for a chat....