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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CharlotteCollinsislost · 02/03/2013 22:44

flickering light - yes, good description! Just had a little flicker (or blackout?) here, as FW has phoned and amongst other things said he's embarking on a self-improvement regime at the moment (not sending critical emails to colleagues, realising x doesn't need to be said - which is good) and "hopes it's not too little too late."

Well, if you mean to save the marriage, then it probably is, dear. If you mean to improve yourself for its own sake, and to benefit those around you, then never too late!

Didn't say all that, of course. In fact, WA woman suggested that I don't tell him it's over just yet... so I am hanging on to talk more to her about why she said that and come up with a plan. Inching forwards...

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/03/2013 22:44

match Grin

Lahti and others who have expressed this - yy to the physical repulsion of DTD with fw. Even though on a totally physical level I am attracted to him, the thought can go no further than a brief flicker before the years of disgusting manipulation, abuse and crass-ness swamp it and I feel a shudder of revulsion at the very thought. Also I don't love or respect him anymore, see above for reasons!

Of course in his mind I must be a) mad, b) frigid or c) gay because the very idea that I don't want him because of his behaviour is far, far too much for him to bear to contemplate. Similarly, he can't get through more than two sessions with mediator because anyone who questions him or brings in a new idea is a) mad b) bad or c) in a conspiracy against him.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 02/03/2013 22:46

Had a momentary doubt, like fool's though - if he's changing, do I have any right to leave him?

Light shining brightly again now - but then, I'm hundreds of miles away from him and that helps.

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/03/2013 22:48

Hi fraying flickering light, absolutely. But posting on here makes the flickering light stronger and stronger till it can't be extinguished!

Charlotte my WA woman is just sending me the info on FP and putting me on waiting list for it - how did you arrange actual counselling with them?

Fool you've counselled and strengthened and shared your wisdom with so many, and led many to the light. Thanks You're a very valuable person Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/03/2013 22:50

Charlotte I'm sadly only one storey above mine and I can damn well hear him snoring - feck knows how I ever shared a room with that human (ish) pneumatic drill Confused (is that what those road drills are called?!)

FairyFi · 02/03/2013 22:50

but I would like a good shag tick tick tick Match

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 02/03/2013 22:57

Fw is the only man I've slept with too, so there's probably a whole world out there that I haven't discovered if 'normal' to me was what I had with him. I need to discover my inner Samantha from SATC...

FairyFi · 02/03/2013 23:00

I think it was divine intervention Charlotte !!! I am losing it aren't I!

but I really don't have any recollection of WA or how I got their number or where I heard of them, or how I spoke to local outreach and starting having regular sessions?!?! I think that must say I was 'lost' at the time to all the distress.

yes match it is pneumatic; I looked it up for you, it means full of bullshit compressed air :)

xx

FairyFi · 02/03/2013 23:02

oh no.. not Match sorry... Fly !

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/03/2013 23:11

Fi full of air sums them up, eh Grin thanks for looking that up, ha ha!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 02/03/2013 23:22

Fly - perhaps the counselling is just a local thing? That in this area they happen to have a DA-specialist counsellor and the money to pay for her, but other local WAs may not? Worth asking in case, maybe. When I went for the first time, she told me all the different ways in which they could support me: support worker, refuge, counselling, FP were the main ones.

minkembra · 03/03/2013 01:44

match not half ex was actually v good in that dept. genuinely giving and unselfish. in a totally atypical way. So i am missing that.

Was kicking self in general today for feeling sad about it all today. wound up with stress at prospect of contact and thought if he saw me and could see i was sad he would take that as evidence i had made a mistake. because he does not understand i have a more complex emotional range than Angry, horny, self pitying, hungry or asleep. (His range)
Wink and that i can be sad for all kinds of reasons.

Anyway was less than swan like when i saw him. dam it. must rise above it.

But had friends round tonight who basically assured me i was doing right thing for good reason.

Will just have to find another shag. someday.

He is messing about a bit over contact in that i usually have to text him at least twice to find out his plans and he leaves ut ages before Reply.
I cannot be arsed with this. so this week i am going to try texting to tell him the times and he can bother to text me if it does not suit him. also going to try to make it longer as the kids would like to see him for longer.

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Dillie · 03/03/2013 09:57

breathe 'Of course in his mind I must be a) mad, b) frigid or c) gay because the very idea that I don't want him because of his behaviour is far, far too much for him to bear to contemplate.'

That sounds soooo familiar! Grin

minkembra · 03/03/2013 10:27

tis Sad get well soon.

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FairyFi · 03/03/2013 12:08

tis get well soon, a good cwtch on the sofa for today. I spent last week nursing DD with flu, today and last few days, me Sad [grim] in bed, blurrrggh.

Hissy · 03/03/2013 15:42

Argh, the sick on your own business is pitiful, nothing worse. I had tonsillitis not long after FW left, coughing up blood, the lot and had to train a 5yo to make sure if he couldn't wake Mummy how to call my mum or to go next door (without closing our door behind him of course)

When I had the Half Term Heaves thanks to DS, my Ex actually stepped over me hurling into a bowl so that he could nip off upstairs and go have a nap, leaving me to be ill AND have DS to deal with. Whenever I was absolutely dragging, he ALWAYS bailed on me. To the extent of leaving me ALL afternoon with no painkillers after I had both my front teeth traumatically removed.

Being ill as a single parent is crap, but as you say LeClerc, it's worse when we're with FW.

I'm sure you'll start to feel better soon, thinking of you, sending MN healing vibes Grin

FairyFi · 03/03/2013 16:22

was lone parent before departure of FW!

FairyFi · 03/03/2013 17:16

i was left on my own with pneumonia at home wth 1 yr old by FW, doctor tried to admit me to hospital, just said i'd be fine and went home not bearing the thought of leaving FW with baby alone! Just knew that he would be angry to point of throwing baby around the place Sad

TisILeclerc · 03/03/2013 17:24

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minkembra · 03/03/2013 18:54

Oh fi that's terrible ?Sad

Tis yeah for mum. the cavalry are coming.

arthriticfingers · 03/03/2013 19:00

Fi 'I was a lone parent before departure of FW' Grin
Lone parent with a FW making everything worse!

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FairyFi · 03/03/2013 19:26

oh gawd, how I long for the calvalry! the cats keep sneaking up for cuddles, which is lovley Smile and the dog too! which isn't [sstrictly speaking] allowed Wink

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