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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 28/02/2013 22:25

Hi lovely ones,

I've been so knackered recently, getting over this awful flu and straight back to work... but have been reading and sending silent waves of support to all.

leclerc I am glad you have had that validation from your church elder.

Fi, hope stoned dcat turns up safely .

Lahti I go through phases of thinking my fw is actually not that bad when I read about incidents on here, then I re-read my notes and realise how shocking it all is when condensed into one read-through and actually he is a fw, although obviously not all the time, as he is many-faceted like any other human being. He has been supportive at times and shockingly unsupportive at others, etc. Also abusive which is the be all and end all.

charlotte, pony, everyone, hello and ((hugs))

He's now decided not to go to mediation because mediator is a "waste of space" - no surprise, I am just surprised he managed to get to two sessions. Well, I'll go by myself and get lots of good advice and the low down from her of what she really thinks now that he's backed out so arrogantly. Yes, the scared humility has disappeared and he's back to being verbally crap again - ie making snide remarks etc. Amazing how he can't keep it up (and I mean that with no double entendre!)

Also hoping nini and maggie are ok.

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 22:43

just nodded off, stoned dcat on speed tonight, noise ofhurtling through cat flap and straight through house has roused my nodding off, as he also ran top speed across the bed and onto me, so thought Id spend a couple of mins typing this while he settles I extricate his needle-sharp claws from kneadng my breasts!

right this house is asleep .. yes he's assumig the superman pose again.. xxx

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minkembra · 28/02/2013 23:14

well. awkward. night out tonight. exes daughter i.e my dcs big sis babysitting. girls night out swim steam sauna. got mist if the way there realised ex may also be dissedthere. walked in the door. bingo. awkward. (used to thinking if i am out he is in. forgets we can run into each other new)

so no girly chat about him anyway. so i said 'evening' to his back as i breeze past- him at drinking fountain. not sure if he heard me.
in steam room. he came in. he didn't say hello. they didn't say hello. awkward. few more opportunities passed. no greeting.

so...i am thinking he is going to be pissed by this...but why should i care. and he cannot complain he said nothing either
so i am thinking if he does mention it...i am going for were you at the baths?Shock didn't see you you should have said hello. cannot see a thing in steam room without my specs.
but he cannot have missed us cos we were talking about or kids so he will have recognised voices and names.

Awkward though. and i am mildly and inappropriately nervous.

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 06:47

I would go for the 'no need for explanations' approach. You are not friends that need to not offend each other. shame he had to be there, boo, but you had a good chat up anyways... x

minkembra · 01/03/2013 07:32

fi true. just hoping this has no ramifications as far as kids visits concerned.

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minkembra · 01/03/2013 08:24

Grin St Davids

minkembra · 01/03/2013 08:40

breath interesting that he sees the mediator as the problem.
Hope you enjoy if that is the right word your solo sessions.

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minkembra · 01/03/2013 09:40

still feeling a bit rattled by seeing ex in RL outside the context of picking up the kids. lord knows why. so

oK, time for a bit of light relief. anthem time!

this is my anthem for leaving: Billy Bragg's most excellent Valentine's day is over:
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Some day boy you'll reap what you've sown
You'll catch a cold and you'll be on your own
And you will see that what's wrong with me
Is wrong with everyone that
You want to play your little games on^

Poetry and flowers pretty words and threats
You've gone to the dogs again and i'm not placing bets
On you coming home tonight anything but blind
If you take me for granted then you must expect to find
Surprise, surprise

Valentine's day is over, it's over
Valentine's day is over
[...]
Thank you for the things you bought me thank you for the card
Thank you for the things you taught me when you hit me hard
That love between two people must be based on understanding
Until that's true you'll find your things
All stacked out on the landing, surprise, surprise
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(He never hit me but still apt I feel)

but today I am going for my inner Nina
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Birds flying high you know how I feel
Sun in the sky you know how I feel
Breeze driftin' on by you know how I feel

(refrain:)x2
It's a new dawn
It's a new day
It's a new life
For me
And I'm feeling good
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Come on them girls get your anthems out. (In Welsh if you must Grin Wink)

TheSilveryPussycat · 01/03/2013 09:51

Yes it is strange and disconcerting to see FW in differenct context, but now you have done it and got it over with!

seconding your inner Nina - am v happy and who knew I still had the libido of a 17-yr-old lurking in a 60 yr old body, surely it can't last

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 10:17

oooo silvery who knew heh? What a revelation!

loving the nina Mink and that was supposed to say 'catch' up not 'chat' up, doh!

fly sorry tohear of awful flu, lovely, great thats behind you! and he's showing himself to the ppl that are really useful to have see it, heh? yep... FW tick tick... rope/hanging ?

and in acknowledgement of my welshness St Davids x

Hoping can pop back with rousing anthem, but keep getting strains of 'Danny Boy' and such right now...

xx

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 10:27

oh, and yeah meant to add mink ramifications for DC visits the caring about his reactions and his responsibilities and his lack of maturity and his FWittery does stop! if he stops seeing the DC thats his loss and can't be controlled, he and they have to deal with that sadly, but not of our making just because you made an attempt to say hello which he did or didn't hear, and then excluded him from the circle of friends [because he isn't one] - you did good.

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 11:40

sorry, probably should have started this morning with Yaki Da St Davids

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FairyFi · 01/03/2013 12:01

and some film entertainment that seems appropriate for today, as anthem not suggesting itself:

9 & a Half Heeks
Trefforest Gump
The Lost Boyos
Dai Hard
Sheepless in Seattle
Dai Another Day
Magic Rhonddabout.
Sheepshag Redemption... Grin

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 12:02

'blimey' tis! Grin xx

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 12:03

you very welcome tish and hope you like enjoy the entertainment ^ xx

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 12:03

tis

ponygirlcurtis · 01/03/2013 13:22

I logged in just to see if Leclerc got her wish about the daffs - am very St DavidsSt DavidsSt Davids to see that she did! Grin Cymru am byth! Tidy.

Breathe, lovely to get a bit of news from you, and sounding a bit more positive. FW is as FW does. Good that you'll still get to go to the mediator though.

Silver - witwooooooo! GrinGrin

thatsnotmynamereally · 01/03/2013 13:41

Arrgh. Feeling furious right now for various reasons... attempt to see WA last Friday was a sad disaster, appointment was for 10 and I got there at 9:50, after a tricky journey involving car/tube/long walk, got no sleep the night before, told them I was there then sat in the unfriendly waiting room until 10:10, no one came out or said anything, I had a text from H detailing a list of things to pick up at the garden centre for trip to project house... I'm ashamed to say I just left, shouting an apology to the reception and bursting into tears. Disaster all around . Of course I got a grovelling apology from the counsellor I was supposed to have met saying that no one had told her I had arrived... but I just said I was going to leave it for now and I'd get in touch another time... I just felt so stupid like it was an omen not to bother! And H's mood has got worse and worse this week. And he is in a constant state of nagging and this morning in a rage he pretended to (??) hit me on the head with a wrench. He's gone out to other house now and thinks that DD and I are coming... nothing will tempt me out there this weekend but he's going to be angry when I say am not coming. Sorry for the rant but just needed to.

foolonthehill · 01/03/2013 14:00

Oh, that'snot I'm so sorry.
Sometimes it feels like the world is against you.

When he gets angry do you get stronger now that you know it's not you it's him?"

I'm sorry, I know you are trying to stick with it for DDs sake. The trouble is that once you've seen his behaviour for what it is it can be hard to do.

Here's a bunch for you to put in your house....he can't have any for where he is!
Thanks and have some of tis' dafs too St Davids St Davids St Davids

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thatsnotmynamereally · 01/03/2013 14:12

fool thanks so much for the Thanks and here's some for you St Davids St Davids St Davids haven't seen any real ones around here yet!

OMG. I have just got off the phone to him. He got to the house and the electricity had been off... he thought it was because I hadn't paid the bill (but I thought I had as I updated meter reading to them last week) but no evidently I left the meter box open when I checked the meter reading.. and rain got in and tripped the power in the house?!? and he says I have caused £300 worth of damage... I am upset, confused, tearful (again), angry... now WHAT ELSE can possibly go wrong today! Oh well, at least we've got the St Davids Grin

FairyFi · 01/03/2013 14:43

hi notmyname I don't think its anything new to WA to have women leave appts, its very hard for them to go in the first place. As for the omen, no, I think more like a reflection of the effect his behaviour is having on your trying to carve your own way out of this.

The important thing to remember is, its not all your fault, and it certainly doesn't deserve any of his ragings! Your a fully grown woman, who - well.... did you leave the meter box open? has he made an excuse to cover his own failings small genitalia might have made a easy mistake, possibly. He certainly doesn't need to phone you to tell you off about it! How can you believe what he says in these rages anyway, it took me a while but slowly I realised the lies. taek care hun xx