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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
Lahti · 28/02/2013 09:10

Thanks arthritic I must have spaghetti head.

arthriticfingers · 28/02/2013 09:13

Don't we all, Lahti.
Haven't we all told ourselves that the abuse wasn't 'that bad' Confused :(

minkembra · 28/02/2013 09:16

lahti not that i am competing but i am pretty sure my ex was not worse. like i say magarine of EA. he was actually quite supportive in tough times. he is good in a crisis but not good if you are upset by something he has done...and i hid some things because i would not want them turned against me.

but e.g. when they found a tumor when i was pregnant he sat with me for hours in the hospital. no question he would be there. he is not entirely twat. not even half.

been starting ti think he was abusive at all just a bit irritating. but when he was stressed he did not manage his anger well. and he was stressed quite often. it is enough to give me reason to end it.

Lahti · 28/02/2013 09:27

mink I think ours are quite similar. He is a practical person but if i am upset he is just hopeless. He seems to put a time limit on how long I should feel upset for according to the severity in his eyes of the cause of my upset ie bereavement if grandparents is longer than that of my aunt iykwim. I used to see all kinds of really sad things at work and he just cannot understand why I cannot leave it at work.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/02/2013 09:53

Morning all - haven't had a chance to read the posts since I was on yesterday - wow, lots to go though. But I will. Thinking of you all.

Only came on really quickly before toddler group to update from yesterday - I completely crashed yesterday evening, couldn't get off the sofa (not even for snacks, so must have been bad!) so just let myself rest. Over dinner my Mum had said something similar to what Silver said, about it giving me a bit of a break for a couple of hours (that I could hopefully use for something other than housework or work). So I've said yes to him having him tonight instead. If DS2 was older, I think I'd have been more reluctant, with the messing around/inconsistency side, but as he's still little, I felt it wouldn't really make any difference to him. I'd still rather he didn't have him feel bad for saying that but it's true but I am looking forward to a small break this evening, as Mum is taking DS1 after school as well. Today has already been a trial with both DSs - tears from both. Have had a revelation about DS1, but I'll post later, gotta run to toddlers and homemade baking yum!.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/02/2013 14:07

Another one whose FW had not an empathetic bone in his body. I remembered last night (while watching One Born) the argument we had about what I could/should expect him to do during the birth with DS2. I wanted to go over my birth plan with him, to discuss what I did and didn't want to happen, in an ideal situation. He refused. Said it was ridiculous to expect him to speak to the midwives on my behalf, I should be doing it, or just to let the midwives do what they needed to. It was ridiculous to be thinking so negatively that I was planning on what drugs I may or may not want, I should have been thinking positive and not thinking about drugs at all!!! Hmm No matter how I tried to explain that I would likely be out of it, on gas and air or in a lot of pain and not thinking straight, so couldn't make decisions about things, he just kept saying I was the ridiculous one for expecting that of him. But if I'd gone in with stuff that was my decision only, without having given him any input, I'd have gotten it in the neck.

No support, on anything. Ever. It got to the point where I wouldn't tell him stuff I was upset about because I knew he'd make me feel worse in one way or another.

And although I had (have) a Facebook account, as does he, he's never friended me. And he was so dismissive and sneery (and jealous) about anything I mentioned from having seen on Facebook that I stopped. Until he realised I hadn't put any pics up of our wedding, and then I got taken to task. (I've just realised that he had his own account but he had none up of me at all, ever. Yet I was shouted down and treated like a naughty child for not having wedding pics up. FWWWWWWW!!!!!!)

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/02/2013 14:17

Just a quick note to check in. Haven't been able to safely log in and post at all, haven't even had the chance to read, as I don't want to be caught reading this thread IYSWIM.

I am okay, but had an interesting conversation with a friend recently, will post later if I can get the chance. H has gone out briefly but will be back soon.

Hope everyone is well. I will try to get caught up on the reading this evening.

TisILeclerc · 28/02/2013 15:04

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FairyFi · 28/02/2013 18:44

Don't take any risks getting caught Alice - not worth it , we all understand Wink

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 18:50

out of interest nosiness Leclerc should I presume from the letters/emails to papa leclerc that FW is assuming you wouldn't have fully divulged extent of the DV? or that papa might not believe you?

I m recalling exFW assuming I would protect him! its quite a sad indictment on the place that I was in before that I actually did, so he could rely on that, although I did tell his mum many years ago and she advised to leave despite backing him to the hilt years later

FP helpful, but big struggle again this week, pretty exhausted and desperate to get home and into bed going to tie cat to flloor so cannot climb high to go sleep tonight!

minkembra · 28/02/2013 19:03

tie cat to floorGrin i used to wrap one of mine in a towel to do her claws. just head and paws sticking out. it was em...a challenge.

tie to floor now that i would like to see.

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 19:16

oooo yes, i've done that for medical administrations, I shall put in a tight hollow tube and hang up for the night ;) He won't care as he is a very chilled pot-smoking kitty.

TisILeclerc · 28/02/2013 20:13

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/02/2013 20:24

Well done for braving FP after your awful night, Fi! Hope tonight is much better.

I now have my own WA support worker! I showed her the list I wrote the other day of evidence that FW is a FW, which was a useful conversation prompt. It was interesting to see what she picked out as major FWery - and reassuring that she didn't think it all trivial (er, because she's not a FW, I suppose!).

Maggie, Nini, hope you're both okay.

TisILeclerc · 28/02/2013 20:27

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/02/2013 20:30

Leclerc - a year too early because you need to sell the house you've got?

Being accepted onto an abusers' programme speaks volumes - well, only if you believe the people running it to be experts in the field, more than one's own superior knowledge... Hmm

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/02/2013 20:31

Thank you! I like her. And I feel validated by our first conversation. :)

ponygirlcurtis · 28/02/2013 20:33

I am also a master at kitty restraint - my lovely old puss needed daily thyroid tablets, I became quite adept at trapping her between my knees and shoving them down! I got quite hairy in the process though (she was long-haired, and shed hair like a bastard a very sheddy thing).

Fi, hope you manage to chill out this eve. Well done for going back. That's really brave. Hope you feel good for sticking with it.

Leclerc, but now you've seen that you will be able to afford something that you will love. Focus on that. Something like that will come up again. As we say up here, what's for ye'll no go by ye, so mourn a little, but know that you will get something just as lovely (or maybe even lovelier) when the time is right. I don't have a Godly faith, but I do believe in the 'universal spiritualilty'.

Hurrah Charlotte!!!!! Told you Wink!

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FairyFi · 28/02/2013 20:52

you could use skype (with an unrecognisable name) on a smartphone/pc/laptop via wifi, and remove sim card and that way not be traced... just a thought for any that might need it

MrsMorton · 28/02/2013 20:54

I'm a rightmove lurker too...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/02/2013 21:07

pony :o

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/02/2013 21:09

On the subject of "when the time is right," FW has come into some money in the past month. It occurred to me recently that I may never have known about that if I'd left as originally planned in January...

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 21:11

ah, tis nice to have dreams tho tis Smile hang onto them, you'll find something even more perfect by then! Its a lovely position to be in and one you perhaps could't have imagined not so long ago?

thanks all for your thoughts, I did get ddog out for long dawn walk, and got to chat [exploding left right and centre] with the DDoc, plus Fp [same] this week's realisation - far more scared of men than i'd ever realised, but tis good to be aware methinks... then sat mine and others kids, at theirs doing dinners etc. (squeezed in 30 min power nap) before heading home...
... I ....AM..... IN....... BED!!!! yayayayaya... got back and got us straight in, army style! What a difference a day makes.

Little fly in ointment - stoned dcat currently awol. Hmm this does worry slightly, but I could well get a few hours sleep this time before he 'lands' somewhere.

Just acknowledging that been a lot of me posts, and others not so much lately, a lot afoot here, been in touch with school again and finding other progs now for DD to help her/me/us together (don't know which yet) to get our relationship on much clearer footing, might just be me that needs that, I dunno but cannot cope with current. Again more realisations around that. Didn't think I'd have energy to tackle school today with that aswell, but have..

love to all, i'm off for sweet and longed for (d)reams - things can only get better! - love it. xxx

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 21:13

btw bonus for me for sitting, now have a confirmed return favour 'inthebag', plus came home with a bedtime Wine for meeeee.... just a little light sleeping draught, not that i'll need that tonight..

Charlotte well done with all your thoughts lately, many things afoot for you too xx