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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
snowshapes · 27/02/2013 23:08

Yes, I'm actually quite astounded at the holiday thing. He said when he would be back and he would see DS, and I honestly feel like saying, no, it's okay, we won't be back by then! But that would be childish. Well, I don't know, I'll think about it, it's the notion that he says jump, I'll jump.

Charlotte, that is the point, I think, you can't think clearly Sad. It was slow for me too, I had these days where, as someone said upthread, I would think inside, this will be over soon. I didn't know when, I just knew at some point.

snowshapes · 27/02/2013 23:09

And I agree with TisILeclerc about the clarity.

minkembra · 27/02/2013 23:22

charlotte glad you are feeling strong and it sounds like you have a plan of action. good luck!

minkembra · 27/02/2013 23:22

and hereWine is to the future.

bountyicecream · 27/02/2013 23:39

Fool - very wise words indeed. I'll go back and read in more detail later.

I feel like the bad person tonight. H has cried. I'm trying to detach and see them as tears of frustration that he's losing control but I'm struggling. He has this big issue in our marriage which is the fundamental reason why there are problems which is downr to me. I really can't see the issue. But I feel like it's my fault.

bountyicecream · 27/02/2013 23:44

Oh and I'm not on fb for about 5 years now as h was worried about security. It was actually one of the issues that flagged up the issue of ea in my mind. He didn't actually forbid it but went on and on about it to the point that I gave in and said if it matters so much I'll delete it.

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 00:37

god! just awoke with massive jstart and pounding heart, after another awful very emo evening with DC, to a loud bang at the bottom of the stairs!

The cat fell asleep on the bannister rail, and fell off to the bottom of the stairs.

Christ I need to go to sleeeeeep. shit shit, fuck, fuck, bugger!!!!

minkembra · 28/02/2013 00:41

fi Grin your cat has ishoos.
wonder what the cat thinks of all the rude awakenings. does he/she wake up before he hits the ground?

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 00:48

no not all the time!

Once he slid off the bin whilst I had been trying to take a picture of him draped across it like he'd been throw away! and as I wa taking the pic he started sliding down it so I tried to stop it with the other hand! he slid to the floor before waking up and wondering what we were all looking at! With all his isshooos he's in good company Hmm

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 00:52

the wet towels dry very well over the bannister at night, and he must have slept on one of them, not that he was gonna stay on the bannister anyway.... i'v brought him to bed with me cos I cold do with the company to stop him falling off anything else! and he's fallen asleep 'superman' style right across me.

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 01:03

he's also the only cat I know that has to sit with his eyes shut when I turn the light on, but maybe thats non-ishoo as its the others with ishoos that can have them open? oh no.. no sleep! :(

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 02:47

doesn't surprise that cat has ishoos, be the only one in the house that didn't if not Sad

wholovesyobaby · 28/02/2013 05:19

Fairy love your cat. My nsdh talks to our cat in his EA way. It's sort of funny and tragic.
Had a rough day full of eggshell walking which he takes badly and ' sees through '. Like I'm trying to outwit him or be patronising or something. I'm not, I don't know why he says such awful things to me, I know I don't deserve it.
A school mum friend was in tears today and I was asking her what was wrong, her hubbie being a bit of an arse. I actually started to say a bit about mine. Don't have any RL friends I could talk to.

My hubbie is different to a lot of yours, he never says sorry, maybe twice in 15 years. He would walk out and stay walked out and he would never ever say he could change or admit to any wrongdoing on his part. It's all me apparently.

wholovesyobaby · 28/02/2013 05:35

I would like to ask if your nsdhs ever support you emotionally through bad times, had some grief and mcs over the years and he just seems to get frustrated and even annoyed when I am in that racked with emotion human place.
He tries if anything to analyse me out of it.

Do your nsdh analyse everyone else and be hyper critical generally ?

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 06:49

No sorries here who glad you connected with someone abou this in RL.

I am trashed after crying most the night, 2 hrs sleep, and cannot face FP, and not gonna do docs like this.

Same who no admittance of wrong doing, only when I threatened the end, or was completely at witzend and soooo distraught. and no support. When I was strong and managng (to successfully walk on spikey eggshells, and do fecking everyting), if I was weak, and needing support, I normally got it big time. Should have spoke volumes to me that I took myself off to a friends to howl and rockwhen I mc'd Sad realising it would cause helll on earth and I couldn't take this. Nasty nasty about others, and me Sad

MrsMorton · 28/02/2013 07:00

Another one here not allowed Facebook.

charlotte I'm really rooting for you, I'm living vicariously through the experiences of those of you who have "done it" so it would be wonderful of you did manage it. Stay safe please

I didn't sleep well worrying about this phone tracking. I'm hoping to leave and move into Catholic accommodation as it will be women only but that's all pointless if he can just find me. I just want to hide for a few weeks and then sort things out...

wholovesyababy H frowns on emotions, I've never been trough anything as traumatic as mc but I'm always told to pull myself together.

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 07:37

When I was strong and managng (to successfully walk on spikey eggshells, and do fecking everyting) less abuse, if I was weak, and needing support, I normally got it [abuse] big time

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 07:38

but then no matter how I cut my feet on the eggshells, it was still no guarantee Sad

TisILeclerc · 28/02/2013 07:42

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FairyFi · 28/02/2013 07:42

Mrs M get another sim in your phone and only give the number out to 110% trusted allies. He can only track you by thenumber, so warn others not to give out or you'll have to change it again, in the meantime you can remove the battery when you are in so that you won't be found. Sorry to hear you didn't sleep well, I hope you managed more than I did.... I'm not gonna do well on 2 hours

FairyFi · 28/02/2013 07:44

Thanks Leclerc

Lahti · 28/02/2013 08:32

Hi all, I have been reading but not posting recently. Your FWs sound so much worse than mine.
At the moment H has started counselling on his own he seems quite hopeful that he can change. I feel like I should give him the benefit of the doubt. I wish I could see into the future but I can't, I can only look at past behaviour and tbh it was horrible for most of it (10 years).
I asked him to move out to give me space but he says no as his mum is our childcare and he says she that she may resent me and refuse to be our childcare in the future. His solution to giving me space is to go to his mums with DD for this weekend (but to come home in the daytime). I told him that I wanted to visit my parents with DD without him. He is not happy about this and wants to come with me to prove that he can behave! He says it is my decision to go on my own but he is worried that I won't come back. At the moment he is being normal at the moment but how long will it last? Ringing counsellor again this afternoon.
Take care everyone.

arthriticfingers · 28/02/2013 08:54

Lahti, so he is saying that his mum is the type who would refuse to continue to look after her GD if she gets the hump Confused
He has not given you any space (which was all you asked for)
He is 'not happy' about you visiting your parents Hmm
This is not being normal. This is being a FW and keeping you controlled.
If this is 'good' F* knows (well we do) about the 'horrible' 10 years.
You do not need to take any interest in the outcome of counselling.
He does not need to change so that you will stay.
He needs to change because he is a FW.
That is not your responsiblilty, your DD is.
You both deserve to be free and happy.

arthriticfingers · 28/02/2013 08:54

Leclerc :) great news!

minkembra · 28/02/2013 09:09

leclerc i am glad. just when you start to doubt everyone there is always someone who lets the good shine out. it is what gives me faith in humanity.

lahti would it be possible to call him on that and have a chat to his mum? if that is not too stressful. does sound like his 'change' is very conditional and it shouldn't be. i keep turning to the should i stay or should i go now bonus materials for what someone who is abusive must do if they are serious about change.