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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 26/02/2013 20:25

Huge congrats Rose, that's a massive achievement - if you can do that, even when encumbered by your FW and all his nonsense, imagine what you'll achieve when you are out of it all! Smile

arthriticfingers · 26/02/2013 20:26

Lost it is - all together Grin
And no - they won't ever be found [evil grin emoticon]

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 26/02/2013 20:47

If they were all in Lost, could they all be eaten by the Black Smoke monster?!

minkembra · 26/02/2013 20:55

should really be He's a FW get him out of here or He's a FW get me outta here.

so...it would seem that my ex has been on several dates this week...i am reading between lines that i really shouldn't be reading... that way madness lies.

anyway wasn't sure how i would feel but i am [jealous] not of whatever mug lovely lady/ ladies he has been dating. no feelings left for him. (new pic online actually looks sinister evil and boak. in some ways cyber spying is therapeutic- reminds me of what i am not missing)

jealous that he gets to spend years making me miserable and leaving me to do everything then he can just walk off and get on with his life as if nothing ever happened. he gets a few hours with his kids a week and gets to pretend that makes him the caring family man who has been cruelly torn away from his family by his harredan ex.

i still get to do everything.

makes me want to go out dating too but i know that is just a knee jerk reaction.

i know this is a total first world problem compared to stuff you guys who are still trapped with the FWs go through. thank my lucky stars everyday that he was too lazy to sort out his house so his family could live there and i was forced to fend for myself.

minkembra · 26/02/2013 20:56

dam that should be Envy not [jealous]
i am Blush crap at emotions.

FairyFi · 26/02/2013 21:29

FW never initiates these chats.. rose this is more evidence of you being the one who's trying to resolve things and be responsible in the relationship.

They don't make it easy for us to see! but with work it does come clearer in the end, in the meantime, its not your fault. xxx

FairyFi · 26/02/2013 21:33

he's showcasing Mink the way many do on Farcebook

thank my lucky stars everyday that he was too lazy to sort out his house so his family could live there and i was forced to fend for myself. here here!

minkembra · 26/02/2013 21:41

not on FB fi lord knows what he is saying on there!!

the house thing- i was gutted at the time. 6 months pregnant with twins outside antenatal clinic when i suddenly realised fuck he is never going to fix his house cos he doesn't want us there. he shouted at me for crying about it. then he used the fact that he could leave anytime/didn't have to stay in my house to control me and to stop me going out without the kids.

but it worked out in the end cos i am so used to coping on my own already.

still cannot go out without the kids though Hmm

minkembra · 26/02/2013 21:43

still main thing is i need to stop reacting to what he does and be my own self Smile

FairyFi · 26/02/2013 22:26

thats a very good thought Mink I'm still trying to master that one. Was put to test recently, and, well I think I'll start timing myself as to how long it takes.

the showcasing, pretending to be good parent, blah blah, having mugshot upgraded on dating sites, and probably doing it on fb too! yeah, absolutely.... don't go there, its not pretty Grin Grin

preg.with twins and crying o/s an clinic Sad ...

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 22:28

Hello everyone, been reading through to catch up. Love and hugs to all.

FW resident here is being very pleasant but it makes no odds now - the die is cast and there's no going back. Meanwhile, I got him to hang up the washing (might as well make use of his pretend niceness) and he just came upstairs (to my part of the house) with a giant pair of male pants that were not his! Clearly not mine either.

I said, how odd, we haven't had any male guests for a while - to which he responded, I don't know, I haven't! Silly sod, does he think I'm entertaining the postman in the half hour I have between work and school pick up??? FFS. TBH the thought of getting it on with anyone at all makes me boak right now, hopefully long term that might change as I heal from the years of misery and abuse Sad

TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 22:31

minkembra wrote: i still get to do everything.

It seems hard at the time, however this makes you the richer, trust me, tis not long till they are grown :)

minkembra · 26/02/2013 22:34

breath Yeah for die being cast and sticking to your guns. Sad for years of misery but Wine to the future.

did laugh about the pants though. wonder what that is about?

minkembra · 26/02/2013 22:38

tsp i know and they are lovely.
could do without being smothered in endless laundry. no strange mens pants though...yetGrin

but actually going places with the kids gives me a good excuse to go to places for kids...like the flumesGrin and the zooGrin

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 22:40

pants-gate Grin

silver I agree with you, we are the lucky ones a) because we have all the wonderful (and sometimes horrendous Grin) experience of being No. 1 parent, plus b) we have personalities as opposed to wits made of fuck!

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 22:42

Mink I'll send you some giant unidentified male pants if that would make your laundry go with more of a swing Wink

YY re going to kid places! And reading kids' books and watching kids' films Smile. My dd adores this awful Aussie series about dancers, which I sit and watch with her, with a disapproving sigh, but am secretly addicted to Grin

FairyFi · 26/02/2013 22:45

we're like monkeys aren't we fly they've only got to turn their heads for a moment and we're at it! This is cool (might as well make use of his pretend niceness) re the washing Grin Grin and same for male pants!!!! sounding so resolute.. good good! xx

TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 22:58

Does the postman have a large booty perchance?

I know that laundry pile, FlyLady calls it Mount Washmore! The only housework I succeeded in delegating was getting DS, DD and FW to do their own washing, from age 14, 14, and 50 or so, respectively...

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 23:01

Completely resolute, Fi Smile!

My family are getting on my case a bit ("what's the next step, can't bear to see you doing nothing, he thinks he's won" etc), which is meant to be helpful but isn't IFSWIM, because I have to go at the pace of the house sale, the court, the mediation etc. Plus he's the dcs' dad and I have to have some sort of relationship with him for the rest of our lives because of that.

Also, them making constant snidey remarks about FW isn't very helpful because the last thing I want is to start to feel defensive of him if that makes any sense at all?

Obviously I know full well he's a cast iron fw, but I have spent half my life with the man and it makes me feel a bit irritated that they can't be more understanding of me doing it my way. They've been so helpful, I don't want to feel like this.... At the same time, my tolerance for abuse came from somewhere....sorry rambling now... here is the only place where we all truly understand!

PS my local-ish version of WA has been helpful, listened really well on phone (I went slightly out of my area because my neighbour works at our local one Sad and they were fine about it, though it's slightly against normal policy. They're putting me on list for April FP. Yay!

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 23:02

*Silver, Mt Washmore Grin

Postman has fairly large booty but I think he plays for the other team so my lustful designs will have to remain thwarted Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/02/2013 23:03

Oh and the milkman comes too early Grin Grin

EternalRose · 26/02/2013 23:06

Thank you for all the congratulations....I have two offers now. I just have to pick where I go, one is up north, one is in the south.

TheSilvery I will pm you tomorrow, as I am a little tipsy. Had some university offer celebrations at home, fw joined in...

minkembra I have often thought about how I will feel when fw decides to start shagging someone else. I find that I am not actually jealous but more worried that he will end up treating her better, allowing her to be who she wants to be, buys her an engagement ring more than £25 and gives her the wedding of a lifetime. Basically I worry that my fw would be a changed man with a new woman.

I can feel my insomnia lurking tonight, so will spend the evening reading some old threads on here.

Been a mixed day. Felt suicidal this morning, but got good news this afternoon so that has taken the edge off things. Yesterday I had lashed out at him, but today he seems to be fine (yet again) whereas I have been a mess today :-(

Thank you to whoever gave me the link for the free counselling service. Too be honest, all I really want now (in the way of support) is for someone to talk to me in real life so I can have some reassurance that what I am going through is not all my fault and he has been abusive. I know all of you ladies have been wonderful, and for that I am so grateful....just wish I had someone to talk to on the phone or face to face about it. I am reluctant to keep calling WA, because I have to keep repeating my story over and over again and I find that in itself draining.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day, I hope you are all well this evening.

EternalRose · 26/02/2013 23:12

Great, just looked over my shoulder and fw has got in our bed! :-(

bountyicecream · 26/02/2013 23:13

Rose - congratulations on the uni course. This is the first step of the rest of your life. You CAN do it and it WILL make a difference.

I borrowed some advice that someone gave to you and emailed my local wa. I think for me that will be my short term RL support until I feel up to telling my parents. Emailing seems easier as I can think about what I want to say. Plus I'll have a record of what they say to me.

bountyicecream · 26/02/2013 23:17

Sorry x post. I see you want to talk not email. Fwiw I used to feel like you as in not certain that it's abuse. I kept worrying that I was reading too much on line in the same way that you can google a headache and persuade yourself that you have a brain tumour. But I think wanting to invest so much energy into being sure that you are not the abuser does demonstrate a lack of fw-ery in you.