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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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foolonthehill · 26/02/2013 14:34

and again one last try familylives.org.uk/

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minkembra · 26/02/2013 15:19

Rose if you are at your wits end, or preferably before, try the samaritans.
I had a friend who worked for them and she was brilliant. They are there to listen. they may not be able to give you situational help but sometimes just someone to listen is all you need.

on the counselling theme though. I just phoned up the work counselling service and said I have split up with my partner because he just wasn't very nice to me and burst into tears and I did not even have to explain that he was EA she just knew. so for the RL people who don't get it there are some who do without you even having to say.

fingers crossed for you that you get on to one of them very soon.

it is so true it is not fair that they cause the chaos and we get left with the mess

TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 15:47

I wrote to ER
I'd be happy to PM you rose (probably at great length!!), let me know if there's any particular aspects you want me to rant tell you about.

  • so please do pm me if you'd like a pm 'chat'
LemonDrizzled · 26/02/2013 15:52

Hi to the new people WLYB and snow

Rose a lot of what you describe is familiar to me. I found the observer technique helpful in getting more detached and less drawn into the arguments that triggered the mad rages (mine!)
Imagine you are a third party watching yourself and FW, maybe with an imaginary video camera recording the scene. Oh look he has come to find you for a "chat" just as you are relaxed at bedtime. See how he ignores your wish for peaceful company. See him needling you, blaming you and pushing your buttons to upset you. Oh and now he is turning it round to be your fault and you are the abusive one etc etc.

On here we play FW Bingo because it 1. amuses us 2. helps us see our FW all have the same manual and 3. helps us detach from the interaction and not get dragged in.
Each time your FW tries to pick a row over something see if it meets a description in St Lundy's bible. Or something you read here. Then give him marks out of 10 for it (Not aloud obviously!)

You can tell yourself "I don't have to live with this any more, I can leave!"
But be patient. It takes times to recognise the nature of the problem, and even more time to find the right solution for your family. Not everyone leaves. Some stay and find a way of dealing with their FW. But most of us slowly move forward gathering strength and insight until we break away and start a new and wonderful stage of life without the FW.
Keep posting and don't blame yourself too much for your outbursts. Without FW you would be a different happier person wouldnt you? That tells you a lot

FairyFi · 26/02/2013 16:07

When FW would be so close shouting that spit would easily land in my jaw-dropped open-mouthed shocked face, the observer position was my best friend, I didn't do the double-dissociated you describe Lemon just assumed the watcher and looked at the mannersim and the contortions as he spat meaningless words at me, but the double dissociation good for when something alarming pulls our attention away from that position. However, I think double-dissociation can be too far away where there is any potential PA, where fists might be clenched, etc, or smashing things around. but its a good one to replay video style whilst speeding up and slowing down the actions! and making the words go too fast and too alow at the same time! I practised my disociation away from FW and visualised myself doing it, and practising observing his face in that way. take care xxx

minkembra · 26/02/2013 16:21

LemonDrizzled laughed out loud at the thought of giving marks out loud then had mental image of holding up score cards Grin

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LemonDrizzled · 26/02/2013 17:10

Mink the idea that anyone in this miserable situation could find something to laugh about is terrific!

FW on Ice?
Strictly FWs?
The FW Factor?

The potential is there! Who would be the biggest FW loser of them all???

LemonDrizzled · 26/02/2013 17:11

And of course... I'm a FW get me out of here!!

TisILeclerc · 26/02/2013 17:34

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noonelistens · 26/02/2013 18:40

I like FW on ice Grin

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bountyicecream · 26/02/2013 18:44

FW bigbrother is definitely worth watching. It would be soooo much more interesting than normal big brother. Just imagine the shouts and sulks....

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EternalRose · 26/02/2013 18:57

Thank you for all the support, I really do appreciate all of you ladies.

Can I just say, FW never initiates these chats...it is me that often wants to talk to him about our relationship as I often feel like things are not resolved etc. He is quite happy to go on as normal, and never talk about the issues in our relationship. In fact it is me everytime that brings up things. I have gone from feeling strong to feeling like I am the abuser in this relationship which makes me feel dreadful if I am honest. I have no one to talk too in real life so I just spend all day crying and feeling confused..

Anyway, some good news today. I found out that I have got a place at a top university this September, 1000 applied for this course and there are only 20 places and I am one of that 20. Feel very happy about that at least..

foolonthehill · 26/02/2013 19:19

Yay rose...look at you [need a champagne flute here but Wine will have to do]

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foolonthehill · 26/02/2013 19:21

I was also the one who initiated all talk, discussion etc. My Fw was so lazy he could barely be bothered with most stuff...but if it mattered to him...boy did it matter.

Different flavours but all the same FW to the end.

personally I'd be putting my money into "I'm a FW get me out of here"...but would leave them to it and remove the "get out" clause!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 19:24

Congratulations, ER.

Guess what, FW never initiate chats either. Two spring to mind that I inititated.

  1. I was off work with work-related stress, my p/t work was our only source of unearned income. I had a list of topics I wanted to raise (that's how pathetic it had got) and when he finally agreed to talk about one of them, I picked 'increasing our income.' So he actually said to me 'how are you going to go about getting more income?' - obvious answer which I didn't give was 'by getting better and going back to work' Confused. He had no need to start with that question, and I was so gobsmacked and outraged that I didn't fire it back at him, but just took it that he could not be serious and walked away.

  2. The second (or was it third?) time I tackled him about the housework, I began by asking if he agreed it should be equally shared between us. There was a long pause while he figured out the only acceptable answer was yes. He duly gave this answer, and nothing, absolutely nothing, about his behaviour changed. Also relating to housework, one morning I found myself begging for just 10 min of his time, to be used clearing up the kitchen with me. He point blank refused, and didn't care that now I'd be spending 20 min when it could have been 10 to get to the same point.

It was very clear that he valued his time and convenience far far above mine.

Hissy · 26/02/2013 19:29

fool, I am saving that for my next talk, whenever that is.

ER, that is brilliant.

My vote for reality tv idea would be simple. LOST - FW edition.

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Hissy · 26/02/2013 19:34

The chats I would have with FW were always the same. In the car going back 'home' from the airport in his godforesaken country.

I spent 3 hours, every time saying that I really couldn't go back to the way things had been, stuck indoors for weeks at a time (literally) being shouted and complained at, not being able to see anyone. The first chat, i really felt positive, and that lasted for, oh, about 2 days. He shouted me down, I reminded him of my words, and he just brushed them off.

2nd time, slightly less hopeful, third, less so, 4th or was it 5th resigned and abjectly miserable, for which I got into trouble too.

can't win, no point in trying to negotiate with emotional terrorists.

Accept that things will never change, that it's not in their best interests for you to be happy/fulfilled etc and find the nearest safe exit.

TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 19:39

You can tell yourself "I don't have to live with this any more, I can leave!"

For those with an end in sight but still stuck under the same roof, I found I did a modification of the above useful advice:

You can tell yourself "I don't have to live with this much longer, this is one of the last of these conversations I'll have to endure!"

Hissy · 26/02/2013 19:42

The other thing I found helpful was 'Bad things never last, this will be over one day...'

Hissy · 26/02/2013 19:42

Oh and I played Talking Heads Once in a Lifetime on a FECKING loop!

TheSilveryPussycat · 26/02/2013 19:45

Yy to Once in a Lifetime Grin

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