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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 21:18

Why ur mah Scottish smileys no wurkin'? Ahm gonna huv tae dae wan, so ah um! Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/01/2013 21:41

Hi pony glad you are back safe and felt loved and appreciated during the sad funeral time. So Sad re your ds1's comment re fw. So glad you got him out of that situation, bless him.

I am alone tonight for what must be the first time in about 10 years Shock dcs with fw (happily he's being less of an arse about his overly dramatic feelings this week, though had a completely bonkers convo with me as I left and then fecking well hugged me. He told me during our talk "I don't think you've ever loved me", I said "bullshit, I did used to or why would I have stayed with you, it's not like I was with you for the money" - he looked gutted, whether at the past tense or the man-prestige thing, I don't know.) Anyway, sitting here in golden silence, with Wine, candles, books, remote to hand should I choose to watch telly (instead of having to fight for my one hour per week)

ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 21:52

Wow, Breathe. First time in 10 years. Enjoy it. I know it's hard the first few times, really really hard, but you will come to look forward to having this time.

Your FW is relly trying everything (with hugs and all!). Perhaps that's why he's being less overly dramatic, he's trying a different tactic (Touchy Feely TM) to see if that works instead. He'll be back to the dramatic when he realises it isn't working. I used to get the 'you don't love me' talk, which is designed to make you jump up and be outraged, and so massage his ego. Be prepared for what's next!!!!

Watching Eldron (from The Hobbit) being all mean (although still strangely drawing out his words) in The Matrix. Partly wishing I had more wine, and partly glad I don't.

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/01/2013 21:55

Here, have a virtual glass Wine cheers Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 21:58

Why thaaaaank yew. Hic. Wine

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/01/2013 22:00

Oh God the hug just froze me, he followed me out to front door, holding my stuff for me, I knew what was coming, I hurriedly put my coat on and zipped it up high and tight Grin, wrapped a big scarf round me, (looked round for a suit of armour) and then grabbed my stuff from him and tried to get the door open but he still managed to seize me and hug me meaningfully. I told him solemnly "this isn't appropriate", trying to stop a big "bleurgh, get off!" popping out of my mouth. Oh lord.

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/01/2013 22:01

Then I got home and ate two chocolate chickens, damn!

ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 22:08

At least you said something to him. That's a really good thing. You have boundaries and are enforcing them. I let DS1's dad's cousin kinda kiss me on Wednesday night because I didn't know how to say no!!! (plus it was kinda nice to be kissed, but really, really not right. Plus was vair vair drunk...)

Breathe, this kind of interaction will continue for as long as he thinks it will work and/or shake you up. You'll need to steel yourself for it all.

moobrain · 26/01/2013 22:12

Checking this doesn't show on iphone

moobrain · 26/01/2013 22:16

Ok I'm safe. I need help. I'm trapped in ea relationship. Dh is sahd. So worried if I divorce that dh will get dd. Self esteem zero. What do I do?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 26/01/2013 22:16

Had to share this gem. I was informed today that fw has been "having rude dreams" about me! Ooh, hold on while I pick up my knickers that just dropped straight to the floor! He's still trying to tempt me back and it's just not going to happen.
Anyone have a timescale for the divorce now he's sent back the Acknowledgment of Service and his solicitor is drafting the consent order to send to mine?

foolonthehill · 26/01/2013 22:21

moo plan, play the long game that is what you do. In the meantime get all info that you can.

One thing you should do straight away is see a good lawyer to work out your priorities and necessary sacrifices.

Take your time and post what you can and we will try to help.

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foolonthehill · 26/01/2013 22:22

match if all straightforward and solicitors on the ball and no arguments then min 8 weeks I think

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 26/01/2013 22:24

Thanks fool. I just want it over as I need the cash I'm paying in a standing order to my solicitor each month as fw has reneged on paying the childminder.

foolonthehill · 26/01/2013 22:24

moo have we met on the EA thread before????

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foolonthehill · 26/01/2013 22:26

if we have and you really want to make sure you are not traced you may wish to name change, unless your "D"h is like mine and too lazy and entitled to think anything could be said that sounded unreasonable.

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ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 22:30

At least you said something to him. That's a really good thing. You have boundaries and are enforcing them. I let DS1's dad's cousin kinda kiss me on Wednesday night because I didn't know how to say no!!! (plus it was kinda nice to be kissed, but really, really not right. Plus was vair vair drunk (and see above about no self-esteem and no boundaries, etc)...)

Breathe, this kind of interaction will continue for as long as he thinks it will work and/or shake you up. You'll need to steel yourself for it all.

ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 22:31

Woops, posted same things again, blasted broadband... Soz. Ignore above.

moobrain · 26/01/2013 22:32

Posted a looping time ago. This is dim. How do I name change?

ponygirlcurtis · 26/01/2013 22:34

moo, have you got a thread going in Relationships at the moment? Apologies if not, just sounded similar. Def consult a solicitor (consult several, then decide who to go with), and CAB and take copies of all docs you can get hold of.

Maggie, no update from you after your FW had that 'chat' with a friend last night. Are you ok???

foolonthehill · 26/01/2013 22:39

to name change go into My Mumsnet at the top of the page, then registration details and under chat nickname put in your new choice, you can link your old name if you want to.

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moobrain · 26/01/2013 22:44

No I haven't but know the thread you mean. I thought that could be mr. Off to name change but will be back

Noonelistens · 27/01/2013 00:56

Ok here goes. According to dh I am fat, greedy, ugly, have bad breath, am a walkover, have no aspirations, am pathetic and stupid. I know I am not fat and am intelligent. I don't think I have worse breathe than others. Ugly is hard to know. I do have aspirations but they are different to his. I am a natural peacemaker which is how I got in this situation.

I have had enough. I have detached. I don't care much what he thinks. I wish he was different and that he would treat me as I deserve. I still love him and would give anything for a normal relationship with him. I so wish we could give dd a normal upbringing.

Today I've hit rock bottom. I dared to stand up to him and he's now not speaking to me as there's no point. Earlier he threw some toys in a jokey way trying to knock dd's figures over. I really don't think he was being nasty. It was more the challenge of getting a direct hit. Anyway I asked himto stop as was setting a bad example to dd who predictably then started throwing the toys. I explained that we don't throw toys and that daddy was being naughty. Dd did it again and dh laughed and said good shot. I challenged him for not supporting me and he basically said that I have no command in my voice and that no wonder dd doesn't listento me.

He later admitted he was wrong for throwing the toys but again said that my voice is wrong and I need to change it.

I would go but he is sahd and I cannot bear to be without dd. He paints himself as this self sacrificing person when he knows that i would love to work parttime and that it is his lack of work that makes me work full time.

He makes out he is the better parent. Dd does obey him more but most the time she listens to me. Apparantly she never cries when I'm not around. Personally I think this is because she's already learned that he will not respond to her emotions. I am allegedly trying to make her clingy and dependent if I pick her up when she falls over or take her shoes off for her if she asks.

Just can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. Sorry so long

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/01/2013 01:37

Hi listens that sounds very undermining behaviour from your h and he seems to have painted you into a corner re work and his staying at home. You're right about not going without your dd. I just wanted to say hello before bed. I know that you will gets really good advice and support from all the wise ones on here Smile There is light at the end of the tunnel and lots of great people on here to hold your hand and give fantastic support and advice in the meantime.

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/01/2013 01:38

gets = get