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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 20:27

yummy, my FW was like that. Sex very infrequently. If I wanted it more often than him he'd make comments like " We'll have to get you seen to/to the vet!" and make me feel like some kind of animal. My family have told me recently that his lack of affection towards me was something they'd noticed. I used to get a kiss goodnight and maybe one when he first got home from work if he wasn't on one. No spontaneous hugs or anything.
It would be lovely to be with someone demonstrative. Yesterday I was told how much he loved me, he just didn't show it and he was always bragging about me to other people. Shame you didn't bestow any of those wonderful compliments on me, eh, FW?!

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Hissy · 24/01/2013 20:45

your no shit attitude will be perfect to ward off fw, be yourself, snap at him, be short, be strong.

be true to yourself.

the truth really does set you free.

Hissy · 24/01/2013 20:50

yummy/matchsticks, my ex used to tell everyone how much he loved me.

i showed them the bruises he gave me.

these men are monsters, get them as far away from everyone and everything you care about as possible.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 24/01/2013 21:03

Never line your ducks up. You just know they'll be quacking and waddling all over the place as soon as your back's turned...

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 24/01/2013 21:11

:o

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 21:27

Match same here re the lack of affection... actually FWs DM noticed it and told him about it, that was quite early on. Rejection in bed also, at first it apparently we were well matched in bed, then I wanted too much!

I cannot extricate myself from DD1 arguments!!! What am I doing wrong? In the past this has happened when its turned out that something has been worrying her (this presses every single button of mine because FW would never own up to his bad mood and the causes). I feel I'm keeping it calm she's making no sense, my heads banging trying to stay with it it takes all evening and then it turns out something to do with deep hurts/worries over friends (this particular time) - other times I've suspected issues with FW going on causing upset, and crafted situations to 'out' it, and it has, but in the meantime the continual (I have to say it) just feels like bullying Sad Sad because thats what he did. DD1 has done this always, I remember a whole of school pick up like this in yr 1! This is how she does her hurts. I know that kids do react this way, but she'll shout at me for being rude when I haven't said anything (someone was saying ^thread about they 9yr old shouting and even hitting?), maybe this is just the same. Some long time later my first eve off without assessment on my mind amongst other things to enjoy Wine

Do I need to just separate his behaviour from her behaviour because he was an adult and still took it out on me, whereas she is a child and its fine to her to batter me with it?

Have managed 1 glass Wine first one in weeks! thats not why heads banging tho

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 21:28

that should have said whole week of school pickups .. yr 1

FairyFi · 24/01/2013 21:33

sorry Blush I know many ladies struggling that have newly brough their situations on here, that I've not had opportunity to offer words, but sending support and hopes for strength. Some good advice given about thinking for plans. Whole eve doin this battle! She's gone to sleep now and I'm downstairs!!!! I can't believe it. Its normally more like 10 or even 12 before I can get down here!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 21:35

Fi my 5yr old DD has started shouting at me when she isn't getting her own way or in response to perfectly reasonable requests. I have given her a couple of warnings and then taken away something she wants, currently watching 80s cartoons on YouTube.
I have explained to her that I love her, but I can't let her behave like this and it has to stop. I had a short tantrum from her, but then she told me she was sorry she was being mean to me unprompted at bedtime, so maybe the consequence of her kicking off had an effect. Time will tell.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 21:38

With regard to the affection Fi, did it start to make you wonder what was wrong with you? I felt like he was being offered sex whenever he wanted, but watching sodding Time Team or reading his book was usually more interesting! I think if I met anyone who was really crazy about me I would probably be so overwhelmed I would push them away.

yummytummy · 24/01/2013 21:38

matchsticks thanks it helps to know it wasnt/isnt just me who gets told i need help for being a nympho apparantly. i feel so starved of affection, the only hugs i get are from dc's and even then ds always says 'mummy stop squashing me all the time!' poor little thing.

i just wish there was someone here to hug me i am slowly realising however much i want it to be it will never be him. so am trying to gain strength from that and carry on with the plan.

love to everyone x

yummytummy · 24/01/2013 21:39

matchsticks, yes i am far less appealing than top gear or playing a trains game on his phone! cant imagine how it would be to have someone actually fancy you

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 21:47

Sad yummy, I am going out with my gbf for my birthday next sat. I feel like going and seeing if I can get some phone numbers just to make myself realise I am attractive and not call any of them ever.

yummytummy · 24/01/2013 21:55

good idea matchsticks, can i come! i bet you are lovely, half of it is self belief which they steal from us but we will get it back!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 21:57

If you are anywhere near me, you'd be more than welcome! This will be the first birthday I've been excited about for years as he used to tell me it was just a day and that I always made a big fuss about it.

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yummytummy · 24/01/2013 22:03

omg seriously they could be twins, i have just had the it was just a day and my parents had spoilt me into expecting presents rubbish. havent had a fun birthday for years either. i hope you have a fantastic time! (pm me if u dont want to reveal your location on here!) thanks for the virtual invite!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 22:03

Grin leclerc, go you indeed!

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FairyFi · 24/01/2013 22:04

There's a fair bit more feistiness going on than that Match I had threatened early night me way to tired to feel could cope with impending disaster and her overtired as a possibility and removal of special thing, complete retaliation, I'm being rude, I can't tell her what to do, etc. etc. will not accept.. I have skirt around and weedle (?sp) a bit. She did get upstairs and then marches back down with another mouthful for me. Went on and on. Never believed that I she would really 'lose' toys when she was little as they would come back eventually! Long patience and the long game with her!

Yes, sadly, the lack of interest in me extended to never once complimenting my body also, or making it feel beautiful atall. I do tend to 'cover up' but other far less personal friends have paid lovely compliments, so I know it can't be that awful, but after years of being with him, felt I was something for him to 'get off on' Blush but mostly he preferred wanking whilst I pretended to sleep

and I definitely think I am not primed for receiving attention and kindnesses.

Take your little black book and lots of ink!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/01/2013 22:06

He had to clarify ds's birthday yesterday to tell his solicitor. He got the wrong date and month! My dm will make sure the dc do something nice for me. Ironically, this being the first year we are apart on my birthday he will probably go all out as I will have to collect them from his house on the day. I can see through the whole 'look at what a nice guy I am' routine though as just being Stage 1 of the cycle of abuse.

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FairyFi · 24/01/2013 22:19

Oh you'll have a great night Leclerc - its a bit of a downer tho isn't it, Les Mis! I started booing some mins in and finally put the hankies away as I walked out! but then we not all sops like I Wink Very impressed with monsieur Jean Valjean (huge jackman). yy to that lovely warm feeling from kind people.

mine refused point blank to put dishes in d/washer. I don't like it, it has dirty stuff in so I won't do it Shock I explained about not expecting anyone else to that for her to save her from such awful fate. Point blank refused and marched orf ta v much. Those kinda things I pick and choose between when and how to address, tonights and recent ones been more like properly picking a fight! I'm getting on with stuff, she'll speak, I'll answer, its wrong, its rude, oh and another thing (you get the idea). Harping back to old arguments, its wrong to tell her what to do, anything and everything. I can see she's really frustrated trying to get something out, but it gets soo heated. I darenst look into my crystal ball Shock