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My married lover has added another relationship into the mix and I am jealous

141 replies

FreckledLeopard · 17/12/2012 17:16

So, figure the title should get your attention...Apologies for length.

Essentially, I find myself in a situation that is making me miserable, but seems to be a situation that I have repeated all my adult life in terms of who I fall in love with.

Background is somewhat complicated so bear with me. Met STBXH four years ago. Moved in with him, DD, his son to a new area. Met a couple and their DD (same age as my DD) living nearby. We all became friends, spent a lot of time together etc.

Discovered that other couple were into swinging - I was always attracted to the husband and my 'D'P was curious and attracted to the wife. So, not surprisingly, we started 'playing' with them, for want of a better word, from time to time. All very amicable and open.

Anyway, I married 'D'P - big mistake, but nothing to do with other man, just a number of other issues that all came to ahead at wedding (at which other couple attended).

The attraction between my and other man was always stronger than between DH and the wife. Often it would be just me, my DH and the other man together, though, frankly, I always wished it would be just me and other man.

Split up with DH at beginning of the year - continued to see other man and his wife. The wife was away over summer for a few months, so saw other man almost daily - went out, went for dinner, stayed over at each other's houses (children were not aware of situation). His wife was aware and happy with the arrangement (she had a number of lovers when away, though her affairs are essentially sexual and one-offs, rather than actual relationships IYSWIM).

So, things ticking over ok. I've never been jealous of his wife - she and I are friends, I wouldn't want a monogomous relationship with the other man and am happy being 'single' yet having him as a lover (also, have moved out of area, so see them less frequently).

Anyway, went there for the weekend....had heard him mention another woman a few times, but found out from his wife (my friend) that he has a huge crush on this other woman, is having a relationship with her and has told the children about polyamory and the fact that the other woman is his lover (his DD is 11).

I am so hurt and jealous. The other woman is a good twenty years older than me (he is closer to 30 years older than me). I know I have absolutely no basis for legitimately feeling as I do. After all, if I am his lover, as well as his wife, what's to stop him (or me) from having as many lovers as he wishes? I have no claim to him. But, but....it hurts so badly. I don't want him to be with the other woman. I am jealous that suddenly she is the centre of his attention. I am upset that he has told his DD about his relationship with her, but not me (though that would open a can of worms anyhow).

I've told him how I feel - he is encouraging me to get a lover where I am now living. Problem is, I don't want another lover - I want him. It's the same situation as all previous men I've fallen in love with - all unattainable. Either married, don't believe in monogomy or don't want relationships. All are charming and all have caused endless pain.

I know there's no 'magical cure' - I should distance myself from him and not open myself to being hurt. But I love him. I'm moping around miserably, dreaming about the other woman and just want him to get rid of her.

Not sure how his wife feels about this - I may see if she has misgivings or is truly ok with it all. It's like some Mormon polygamous drama or something. Freud would have a field day....

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SweetSeraphim · 17/12/2012 17:20

See, this is the trouble with swinging/poly relationships - sooner or later someone will meet someone that they like more. Human nature, innit.

Sorry you're hurt though.

CremeEggThief · 17/12/2012 17:21

I'm not really qualified, as this is completely outside my experience, but I suggest you put some distance between yourself and this family. Have a think about what you want and what's best for you and your family. I don't think they csn give you what you want.

Absoluteeightiesgirl · 17/12/2012 17:21

Crickey.... My first thought is that you need professional help otherwise you are destined to have a life as fucked up as this. Sorry for being so blunt but this reminds me of trying to untangle four sets of Xmas lights.

Changeforthrday · 17/12/2012 17:21

So what is your ideal outcome of this situation?

CremeEggThief · 17/12/2012 17:21

can*

FireOverBethlehem · 17/12/2012 17:24

Christ, their poor kids...can you imagine having your dad tell you about "his lover" when you're 11 Sad

I would walk away and take a good long look at what attracts you to the men you like - "It's the same situation as all previous men I've fallen in love with - all unattainable. Either married, don't believe in monogomy or don't want relationships."

For God's sake, don't go off and get a lover like he suggests, you need to spend some time just being you to see what you want a loving monogamous man to bring to your relationship, so you'll get your finger burned again.

As an aside, you both couples had a DD of the same age, how is your 11 year old coping with the marriage breakup and moving? Maybe spend some time focusing on her for now.

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter · 17/12/2012 17:26

Of course he is encouraging you to get another lover, it gets you off his back nicely.

if you continue this relationship you will constantly have to share this man, and from the sounds of it, it will eat you up inside. You cannot change him, you and the wife will not be enough for him. Walk away before you get hurt and find someone to 'play' with of your own or are able to share (if thats what your in to).

nkf · 17/12/2012 17:27

Isn't it a bit like asking for cod and chips and then saying you've gone off fish. He's a swinger so swinging is what he does. An elderly swinger so unlikely to change. Drop it. Move on. Grieve. Thank your lucky stars. Good luck

SweetSeraphim · 17/12/2012 17:28

The thing is, you have to be a certain type of person to be involved in this stuff. You're clearly not that person. So don't go finding someone else in the same situation, it's madness.

FreckledLeopard · 17/12/2012 17:29

Wow - don't think I've ever had as many replies so quickly as this. Absolute - love the Christmas lights analogy!

Professional help - I've had therapy - not intensive, Freudian, but fairly regularly for about a year. It was helpful, but ultimately didn't revolutionise things. Would definitely like to try more therapy, but don't have the money to fund it unfortunately.

Ideal outcome - there isn't one, is there? I suppose, in my crazy world, what I would like is for the status quo to stay. He stays with his wife, we stay as lovers. No-one else enters the equation. I would also love to have a child with him - feel free to flame me. It's not likely to happen - am not totally in cloud cuckoo land and that really would cause a shit storm of mega proportions. But, in an ideal world, I would love to have a child with him, have him as a lover and involved father, but not live with him. Yes. I am clearly very odd.

I know I need to distance myself - I had been doing quite well too. Moving 2 hours away, not having him at the end of the road. But this weekend has re-opened things and I am just hurting so much now. I want him to make things better, but am aware he is the problem.

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beckyboo232 · 17/12/2012 17:29

I'm sorry your hurt. This is well outside my experience but For what its worth i think you need to walk away now. Distance yourself and look at what it is that makes you head into these situations.

noddyholder · 17/12/2012 17:31

God this all sounds so exotic (eyes dp in his slippers reading the independent)

Shakey1500 · 17/12/2012 17:32

Where does the conflict come from do you think? On the one hand you don't want a relationship with him that is monogamous yet you say that all the men you meet don't believe in monogamy Confused

So either you DO want him to be faithful only to you.

Or, you want him to be faithful to you and his wife.

Perhaps you feel hurt that you were the only "exclusive" lover to them and are jealous that there is someone else they/he wants equally. Therefore you are not on a pedestal (as it were)

Eitherway, obviously they are free to include whoever and as many as they like. If you can't deal with that then you'll have to walk away. Perhaps you do not love him, but rather "love" the setup as it was.

But yes, overall, time to take a break and try to figure out what sort of relationship you want in the long term. Good luck

FloralWellies · 17/12/2012 17:35

Walk away and be glad that your DD doesn't know about this.

(Fast forward 10 years and that couple's DD will be in therapy trying to make sense of her childhood. Be glad your DD is spared)

You definitely need some sort of counselling

FreckledLeopard · 17/12/2012 17:37

Think the pedestal bit could be accurate. I want him to pay attention to me, spend time with me and I don't like that someone else is in the picture. I guess too, it makes me feel far less special (and frankly, was I ever special to begin with? Would he hook up with anyone? Does he love me? I don't know, he says he does).

I know on paper what kind of relationship I'd like - 'normal' one - nice house, nice kids, professional etc. However, made the mistake of trying to create this 'ideal' with STBXH and made me miserable (though a number of other reasons came into play too).

I want more children, that's definite. Whether with someone or on my own I don't know. Ideally, with someone, but I've never fallen in love with anyone 'normal' who I would want to settle down and have babies with - anyone I would like to have children with is either married or doesn't want a family.

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LessMissAbs · 17/12/2012 17:39

I suspect, having made the decision to share this man, you are going to find it harder than in more conventional relationships to walk away. Because you have already chosen to ignore probably many red flags/relationship dealbreakers. So all he is doing is pushing the boundaries still further. You are going to have to be very strong minded to decide where your boundaries lie and whether they can be pushed any further.

I don't agree that you are "fucked up" simply because you don't believe in monogamy. Not everyone has to lead the same life, and many marriages are "fucked up". But by expecting a swinger to be "faithful" to two people, I think you are trying to turn it into something it is not and never likely to be. Swinging surely is more varied than one wife plus lover?

CatchingMockingbirds · 17/12/2012 17:40

I don't think he'll be able to offer you what you want, it would be best for you to break it off and concentrate on yourself and just being single for a while. You've been with your ex for 4 years and now youre in a complicated relationship with this man who has a wife and now a serious partner (I say serious as he's told his dd now) along with you.

Take some time for yourself and figure out what you want and why you always fall for men that don't fulfil your emotional needs.

henrysmama2012 · 17/12/2012 17:41

You don't need another year of therapy - you just need some time to be single and chill on the relationships & to stop hooking up with married guys.

I'm no expert but sounds like you are into the drama, the chase and the competition, etc...if you wait long enough for the right guy he will blow your mind and you won't need all of these shenanigans to prop up your interest in them.

nannyof3 · 17/12/2012 17:44

I feel sorry for the kids !!!!!

FreckledLeopard · 17/12/2012 17:45

LessMissAbs - the swinging part is fine. I have absolutely no issue with him having sex with as many men or women as he wants to. It's the long-standing emotional attachments with other women that is really fucking with my head. How his wife can deal with all of this I don't know.

I think I know why I fall for, and am attracted to men (and women) that aren't good for me (childhood stuff etc). Problem is, whilst I may know why I fall in love with these people, I don't know how to be attracted to others or fall in love with someone more conventional.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 17/12/2012 17:47

You play with fire...

FreckledLeopard · 17/12/2012 18:04

I know I have a deep-set longing for someone to come and take all the pain away - to make things better, take over, rescue me. Have had such fantasies from when I was tiny. And other man has been as close as I've found in terms of making it feel as if everything will be ok. Of course, it adds even more complications and hurt to the mix. But the sense that he will be able to put his arms around me, make me feel - even for a few seconds - that I can be myself in his presence, open up to him and that he loves me, is something that's very difficult to walk away from.

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MmmnoodlesoupIsDueXmasEve · 17/12/2012 18:15

Just what I was thinking noddy Xmas Grin

glastocat · 17/12/2012 18:20

I think is sounds exhausting, not exotic. Grin

DistanceCall · 17/12/2012 18:24

puts on Freudian hat

So you don't mind that Daddy is married to Mummy but you do mind when he goes off with another little girl like you?

Hie thee to a therapist, pronto.

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