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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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doingtwelvethingsatonce · 05/01/2013 09:11

just a brief hello. I had a laugh at the teddy antics discussed.

If MIL stops by to visit today (she generally does), I may just crawl into a corner. He'll be all pleasant and jovial, then back to normal when she goes.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 05/01/2013 09:40

Bertie, your FW's attempts to put a wedge between you and ds annoy me more than anything! The sleeping in his bed thing is so messed up, when he plainly wants you.
The hypocrisy would wind me up too, premenstrual or not. Something mine is also guilty of.

filthycute · 05/01/2013 09:49

Dear all, I am hoping that you would all lend me your collective experience and help me decide what to do.

I left my abusive ExP almost 2 year ago now. We have a DS (2). He has continued to manipulate and control from a distance, especially through our DS with Access and Money etc.

He has attempted to alienate his other DS and DD from me and my older DS - this hasn't worked as they know him well!

I have been trying to keep the peace so have not pressured him now for a couple of months to give financial support ( he left a £20k Debt) and pys no child support or any contribution to nursery fees.

Last night I spent the evening with his older DS, he told me that ExP had given him and his sister £300 each for Christmas plus presents. I also noticed over the last few weeks he has lots of new stuff, new car seat, new clothes etc. So he has obviously come into some cash.

He and I had a chat the week before Christmas about how hard things were financially - I had to have my car repaired cost £700 and this meant I couldn't buy any presents for my two Ds. He said he was in the same boat - Liar.

So I am now feeling really pissed off and am tired of the crap - he borrowed £800 of me in January he still hasn't paid it back he says he has no money and is always pleading poverty. I know he does this to his Ex W as his DS and DD gave some of the money he gave them to their mum.

I want to get back the Child Benefit (which he has because he says he is so poor that without it he cant see DS) and to get some contribution to the repayment of his debt and towards my sons nursery costs.

I know that this will cause a massive blow up and I'm just not sure I can take it - so what to do? quietly seethe or do I go for it with the CSA/

Sorry Long - Thanks for reading

ponygirlchristmas · 05/01/2013 09:58

Aw, happy birthday to mini-Bertie! Hope the party goes ok. Mine'll be 7 in just over a week, and suddenly seeming so grown up. Sad Where does the time go?

Sorry to hear he's been so difficult, but well done getting evidence. I have to admit that I recorded my ex when he would phone me while drunk and rant at me over child contact issues - I even bought a small dictaphone for the purpose. However, I was told by my solicitor that it wasn't strictly legal to record someone without their knowledge, and certainly wouldn't be admissible evidence. But if you mentioned to him that if he continues to rant you will be recording conversations, that would probably suffice, and he'll forget anyway. But maybe run it past your solicitor.

twelve - you need a plan to get out!!!!!

Another hilarious 15-second handover this morning. I was actually standing smiling and chuckling to myself as he strapped DS2 into the car, and betting with myself that he wouldn't say goodbye. He didn't! Bingo!!!! Xmas Grin He got straight into the driver seat without looking back at me deliberately and then sped off. Haha!!!!! (am slowly going mental with all this manic laughing...) Going to wait and see if anything is said this evening at pick-up, and if not then I've got a letter drafted to the solicitor to go ahead sending the letter (and also double-checking a couple of things for when FW is inevitably difficult if I have to take DS2 with me to England for the funeral).

Maggie, hope you're ok.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 05/01/2013 10:28

cute so sorry he is being such a cunt. The CB should be yours as you care for DS. All the advice I've seen on MN says CSA every time - apart from anything it takes the pressure off you of trying to keep him up to the mark.

bertie tell me to butt out if you want, but if FW has found a solution to DS sleeping problems on his nights, I think you should leave him to it.

PrincessFionne · 05/01/2013 10:38

awful you are still hostage twelve can you say in front of MIL that you've not been out with the DC for weeks so would love if you could all do that as you all have serious cabin fever! or go out yourself for a big break whilst she is there (if she's trustworthy with your dc)? but then you need a plan

Hi pony thank you, bit difficult to know, it is considering and sorty out kinda stuff, but also a bit swirly roundy, and a lot of sadness with memories of more than abuse from ExFW. Pressure building now as assessment due in in a few days (studies) too, and resisting it all.. Have to turn that around today! Well done you lady for your maniacal laughing it off Xmas Smile Its a way of dealing with it that helps you to detach (YAY - CELEBRATE THE DETACHING!!! whistles and bells). What are you hoping he might say that might stop you sending the letter... don't you need to send it anyway?

sorry for illness Bertie thats really horrible I had sometime ago, take care and good you're recovering/ed now. Many happy returns mini-Bertie I hope for all your sakes you are heading for that final separation soon as it all sounds terribly toxic at the moment Xmas Sad so good you have your family supporting you through it and that you got some time away. Hope today remains a happy one!

Welcome Filthycute but sorry you have still got such issues with abusive ExP. Maybe you are still 'attached' in some way that you feel responsible to help him financially when he should be supporting you/DC financially in the form of maintenance, if you feel it would be too dificult/dangerous to do that then CSA would be the way I believe. This would save all the wondering you are doing about where his money is coming from as if you give him nothing and he has been assessed financially you will get what is due. If you act now on this and they take last 2 months bank statements, it will be what they base future payments on, IYSWIM? Ensure you take all measures to be safe if this will cause a blowup, do the police know, etc.? Get stuff recorded if you haven't already.

Someone mentioned recording calls? I think that would work either way - as in yes good to get a record of, but also good to state at the start of a call that it is being recorded as this could, firstly, be enough to ensure he monitors himself better, but also, saying its gonna be recorded will be on the recording as will his agreement, then it will be legal and evidence - that focus could make the whole conversation more constructive (put a sticky note in front of face to remind, 'we're being recorded!!!'), will be a very sharp focus and empower you.

Thinking of you Maggie hoping you are safe.

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 05/01/2013 13:57

Cute - yes, the CB should be coming to you. I see what you mean, though, about it kicking off things when you apply for it to come to you.

No MIL is not up to caring for children. She's a lovely woman, but she tries sometimes to tell DS what to do when he is struggling (he has SNs), so H is shouting at him, MIL is telling him to do something, and he just gets confused and gets worse.

The children go back to school this week, so I'll have some time to go into town and get out then.

northlight · 05/01/2013 14:49

Ask your solicitor if your notes of the conversation would be admissable.

TisILeclerc · 05/01/2013 16:52

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northlight · 05/01/2013 17:13

I mean notes you've made from a recorded call which you do not present in court or have deleted.

ponygirlchristmas · 05/01/2013 20:09

Fi - you're right, there's not really anything that would stop me, just faffing as usual, delaying tactics, and half expecting him to say to me that he's spoken to his solicitor and ... whatever! I'm not really sure, in summary! And I'm almost now telling myself 'maybe just wait and see if anything's said tomorrow...' but I know I'm being completely, like ridic. I'll finish and send it tomorrow, so she has it first thing on Monday.

Will be thinking of you for the assessment. What do you hope the outcome will be?

I agree, filthycute, get the CB for yourself, sort it out with CSA - it sounds as if he's taking you for a ride and doesn't expect you to do anything about it. Give him a shock and show him you will not be messed with any more.

twelve - am holding on for Monday for you and a bit of normal routine and for you to get a chance to sort some things out.

Leclerc - really? Am most disappointed. Xmas Grin Maybe he's just very good at cleaning up after himself, hiding the evidence and putting on an innocent face...?

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doingtwelvethingsatonce · 05/01/2013 20:34

yes, worried about Maggie's absence as well. Will check back later.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 05/01/2013 21:07

Can't remember, but do you have to provide any contact numbers when you sign up to mumsnet? Could HQ have a way of contacting her to make sure she's ok?

ponygirlchristmas · 05/01/2013 21:19

I'm worried too. Think providing any other details are not mandatory, so all MNHQ could do is email her.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 05/01/2013 21:21

Has anyone ever pm'd her, who knows where in the country she is or a real name?

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 05/01/2013 21:35

If HQ know real name though, couldn't someone track down where she posted from from the ip address? It would be hard for the police to check she's okay though even with that without compromising her safety I guess.
Things did seem like they were escalating rapidly though when she last posted. I'm worried too.

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 05/01/2013 21:39

Hi ladies,

I hope Maggie's ok too - if we pm her, will it pop up in her home mail inbox, which may cause her issues?

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 05/01/2013 21:39

True re ip address, hadn't thought of that.

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PrincessFionne · 05/01/2013 23:05

PM would appear in her linked email, but has she ever told anyone not to PM? has anyone PM'd?

IP address might be dynamic or static, only if static will remain same. If her mail is web based, etc.

Oh, please be ok Maggie and mini's

MaggieMay05 · 05/01/2013 23:47

Hi all. So so so sorry to have worried you all, just logged on now, can't stay on but just wanted to check in and say I'm ok. Things ok and I'm safe. Thinking of you all and thank you for thinking of me, honestly you all mean so much to me x