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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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LemonDrizzled · 25/12/2012 23:08

Evening folks. It's all mellow here in the Little House.

I decided to put the DC first and do what they wanted this year. So yesterday we all went to church together and afterwards I fed them all with ExH at my house. Then they went home with him. This morning I went round and swapped presents and spent the morning with them and ExH cooked the meal with the DDs. DS and I washed up. It was actually chilled and happy and the best it has been since I left. Tomorrow I am taking the DC to my parents for the day.

I am amazed at how I can cope so much better now with him. I looked at the dirty kitchen and bit my lip. When things went wrong I said nothing. Perhaps I should have been this chilled when I lived there!

I think it is the distance, time away from the emotional hothouse, and being loved by a good kind man. I am not the person I was three years ago. I am a happy person now! And I think my ExH is too. I am not going to call him FWH any more because he deserves more respect!

So all you strugglers keep working towards freedom! It is worth it and you will get your self respect back and your children will be happy too.
Happy Christmas everybody

PrincessFionne · 26/12/2012 00:32

I am so relieved to have got thro today, with many smiles and good moments to remember and staving off the flashes of other realities around at the mo. Friends were superb and we all had superb day.

this is my mission for 2013 lemon its inspiring to hear it done first hand.

Happy Boxing Day!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/12/2012 08:16

Relieved that my mum and sisters are going today but dont want to go back to it being just me and NSDH. Im so exhausted. But I think DD has enjoyed herself.

MaggieMay05 · 26/12/2012 15:17

Sorry only got 2mins so not caught up properly, will do late tonight. For me there is only one day in the year that is worse than christmas day and that is today-Boxing day-ugghh-i think it should be renamed St.FW Day. Back later......if I've not thrown myself off a bridge on the way to MILs for yet another roast dinner where DS will prob cry whole way through and DD be bored. Yes-every year she basically recreates xmas day on boxing day but with a different bit of meat-even if she had spent xmas day/dinner with us. Is very odd. Give me strength, am just going to keep thinking this will be my last year. ((Hugs)) to all x

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TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 26/12/2012 19:48

Perfect leClerc, either way both DD get what they want, with or without his 'help'. Which is what you want. All perfectly reasonable, and show you don't need him in order for you to fulfil your plans. And good old DF, too :)

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 26/12/2012 20:02

Such a simple way of thinking though, isn't it leclerc? Like all the abuse can be forgotten if he gets you some presents and a woe is me letter.
When will you get dd2 and ds1 back?
My FW is back in denial I think. Was blackmailing me 2 weeks ago. I haven't heard anything about him having responded to the divorce petition and he is back to inviting me in for tea and still calling me love. Chatting to me like nothing has happened.
I think my way of dealing with him has to be as I would a tantrumming 2 year old ds. Ignore, ignore, ignore as he calms down if he gets no reaction.
He had til Christmas Eve to respond or the court bailiffs will serve him with the petition personally. Hope he responded.
I have a course of hypnotherapy starting 7th Jan to help me control my anxiety when he kicks off. I know when we start talking about financial settlements it will be back to the bitterness again.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 26/12/2012 20:16

Well done, Leclerc, good solution. Hope dd2's enjoying her Christmas after all that emotional upheaval. Glad you and dd1 get peace (away from FW, I mean, not dd2!).

I have had to give myself a stern talking to this afternoon! I've been acting like all's ok (when I can), dps have acted that so well I'm half-wondering if they're still supportive! And fw's been in a good mood and therefore more helpful than usual. Had to remind myself: nothing's really changed. Not the stuff that needs changing. Still want to be away from him, anyway. No desire to keep trying! Just feel a bit bad that I'm reassuring him things are ok by my behaviour, before leaving him when he least expects it. Ah well, can't be helped!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/12/2012 21:40

I think you did really well with your FW there Leclerc, I don't think you were OTT at all. Your counsellor if right - with FWs you must be on your guard at all time.

I think this may possibly have been one of the worst christmasses I've ever had. NSDH and me had several rows over random small things, my Mum kept backing him up (kept telling me how lucky I was to have such a good guy), my middle sister (Mum's favourite) was throwing her weight around and got annoyed with me for rowing with NSDH, my youngest sister was acting like a spoiled brat, whinging at everyone, breaking my things without ever apologising and ignoring my DD. Mum and my middle sister kept making comments about my hoarding all the time they were here, trying to get me to tidy things at all hours of the day, which made me very stressed. Mum also kept making lots of snidey digging comments about the 'huge' amount of presents I got for DD - so much so that I've hid most of them to give her now they've gone - Sad. I wanted to get up early to go boxing day sale shopping today but everybody refused to get up to look after DD so I could go. And NSDH is STILL digging in his heels about us buying a wardrobe (my eternal struggle continues despite him promising in April).

As usual, NSDH avoided any form of childcare by cooking massive meals that nobody wanted to eat (so frustrating as he knows I can't complain about that - it's his get-out-of-jail card. What woman doesn't want a husband who does most of the cooking, right? Sad).

On the plus side, DD enjoyed herself, which was good.

NSDH at work tomorrow, DD at nursery, so I can crack on with my studies as my exam is only 3 weeks away. Expecting a visit from the evil-inlaws at the weekend as we've had no cards or presents from them. Wine needed...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 26/12/2012 21:47

Wow, Nini, attacks from all sides, eh? Glad there's some normality tomorrow and good that DD enjoyed it. My NSDH does the same thing with cooking!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/12/2012 22:09

Charlotte, it's so hard to deal with isn't it? I'm not allowed to complain since 'he's cooking which is more than most men do', but he disappears into the kitchen for literally hours at a time making huge meals then wonders why he can't lose weight, leaving me to do all the childcare and everything else. What's wrong with a nice quick, simple meal? How on earth do you fight something like that?

MaggieMay05 · 26/12/2012 22:35

Charlotte! Nini! I feel your pain. My FW is a chef and I am never ever allowed to cook, I hate it, when I did cook he used to give me marks out of ten or make faces that is was digusting. Its just another thing for them to control I think. I would love nothing more than to plan and cook mine and DCs meals and include them prepping it Sad

Back later when FW gone to bed....

MaggieMay05 · 26/12/2012 22:38

PS-And he leaves a massive massive mess and uses every pot/pan in the kitchen, then I have to clean it all up and also be grateful for his shit meal Angry

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/12/2012 23:05

YY to mess Maggie! It's always 'well I cooked it, you must clean it up so the division of duties is 'fair''. Boak. Angry

Been told to turn the TV and laptop off as he wants to sleep. Night all.

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 26/12/2012 23:42

charlotte yy that?s exactly what I was going through when my fw was being somewhat normal ? it took my dm to comment on fw?s bad mood (when I was thinking he was being normal) for me to have a reality check. And I almost feel grateful to fw for reverting to type and behaving like a complete tosspot for the last couple of weeks and being an unsociable, boorish twat at my dm?s over Xmas? because it's cleared my spag head.

leclerc well done you re the Hobbit scenario! Bet that pulled the rug from under his manipulation.

nini my fw does the same thing ? works massively hard in the garden on or on creating massively over complicated DIY chores that leave him feeling like he?s wearing a halo and can then collapse on sofa and watch footie while I run ragged with all the normal stuff ? when asked to help he moans on about all he?s done ? well who fecking asked him to do all that ? he?s chosen the jobs he enjoys! But actually I?m the winner because it?s doing the mundane as well as the fun with the kids that builds our good relationship. His relationship with them is either fakely Disney dad or screaming, shouting and peculiar rules.

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MaggieMay05 · 27/12/2012 06:35

So am escaping to my parents for a few days this morning-peace! Can't wait! I'm knackered though, been up with DC all night, one after the other. Of course FW just ignored the situation and left me to it, he's even off work the next few days so can't use that as an excuse. I wonder if a normal man would do that and then let their partner try and sleep crippled on the sofa before she has to drive hundreds of miles alone with two young kids or would a normal man take over the night childcare duties and let his partner get a good nights sleep in a nice warm cosy bed? Drained....

Am looking forward to getting some proper xmas pressies from my parents tho. FW never buys me anything nice. This year he made me open a present his grandma had bought me and then rewrapped it from him and gave it to me as a show in front of DC Sad

Will catch up with everyone soon, sorry my eyes feel like they are on pins at the moment but still struggling to sleep, will try again now, only about an hour until DC wake for the day Hmm

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 27/12/2012 10:46

Maggie and Treagles so sorry you are having such a difficult time.

Treagles I totally sympathise re having fw under your feet and driving you insane. Mine's off too and I hate it! My strategies for bit of space- supermarket- rapid nip round then cafe with a paper for an hour or so. Or even pretend you have errand but in fact go to library and read and rest in unreachable silence! I am so sorry to hear about your mum, that's really sad.

Maggie safe journey! Stay awake and safe loveySmile

Leclerc enjoy being a social butterfly Grin

Ps what's with the alien smileys? Will Dr Who rescue us?

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