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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlchristmas · 24/12/2012 11:34

I understand what you mean about the note, Treegles. Glad you have a bit of breathing space. Whatever happens, you have got more of a plan, which is only a good thing. It'll not be an easy time, whatever you decide, so get yourself some RL support (as well as keeping on posting here for support and just general ranting purposes). Maybe phone Women's Aid, or the Respect phoneline, or even the police 101 number. I've called Respect before, and phoned my local police DV unit a couple of times, not reported anything but just spoken to someone there about general advice. Sometimes, it's just good to talk to someone that understands and believes you.

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ponygirlchristmas · 24/12/2012 12:47

Glad you are feeling more yourself Treegles. Hold onto that you. Stay strong and hope tomorrow is a good day for you.

janglebells2013 · 24/12/2012 14:49

hi peeps. sorry for all the rubbish everyone is going through this Christmas, i am thinking of you all too.

im also finding things hard. this is our first christmas separated, they say it gets better, i hope so. dd has been away most of the day, dh just brought her home a minute ago, 45 minutes late as he 'lost his car keys'. i said to him could his dad not have brought her, or could he not have used his dads car (his dad has been doing a lot of the runs lately.) he pointed the finger, gave me the scary look and said 'see if youre giving me a hard time, don't even THINK about it!'
so she came in, out for the count. she usually gets a sleep around 12 to one. but i know they will have excited her, tired her out, not given her a sleep until now, so i won't get to spend much time with her till near dinner, then bed, then he gets her tomorrow morning. then i get her for the afternoon, then he gets her all boxing day and overnight on boxing night, despite her never having her overnight before, just cos he mum and dad wanted it.

im so annoyed with the contact arrangements. im so glad though im away from him this christmas. idiot.

ponygirlchristmas · 24/12/2012 14:54

It does sound like he's made sure he's gotten what he wanted here, and you've got the short end of the stick. Enjoy your time with her tomorrow - maybe specify that he picks her up and you go and get her, to guarantee her being on time?

janglebells2013 · 24/12/2012 15:10

good idea ponygirl. and mum will come with me to so therell be no issues!

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 24/12/2012 16:54

Hi all, just popping in to wish you all the best despite everything.

Once again, thought I would be all energised at being on my own - this time for Christmas Day. Once again I feel exhausted, as if recovering from all the Christmases I've ever done.

Happy though :)

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janglebells2013 · 24/12/2012 17:58

silvery i hope you have a chance to relax at some stage and enjoy the festivity - everything seems harder when you are so tired and emotionally burnt out.

treegles sorry things are so stressful right now. focusing on the future is such a positive attitude and will help you get through

also merry christmas to everyone, sorry im so crap at catching up on the thread, but thinking of you all especially those who are hurting and going through the stress of EA over the holidays and those who have to be separated from their dcs

Bertiebassett · 24/12/2012 19:10

Well DS and I managed to be out of the house all day (just got back).

FW behaving himself now...the stuff last night and this morning is forgotten (only by him obviously).

Merry Christmas everyone xxx

NiniLegsInTheAir · 24/12/2012 22:21

More rows here. Im now hiding upstairs and both my mum and sister have been up to try and get me to come down. Im just not feeling christmassy anymore. But I will not cry.

Merry xmas everyone x

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 24/12/2012 22:53

Ah nini and to everyone feeling low - Christmas wishes over the ether Xmas Smile things will get better.... we hope Xmas Smile

My FW has curled up in bed in a sulk. Kids are still awake (too excited, bless them, thank goodness they are feeling happy). Watching TOTP with a Wine, waiting for kids to sleep so Father Christmas can visit. Raising a glass to you lovely ones and wishing we were having a quick snifter together in the meditation room Smile

xxxx

ponygirlchristmas · 24/12/2012 23:05

Thinking of everyone tonight.

I keep thinking about my Christmas last year with FW, and DS2 only 4wks old. (The one he thinks was fine because he made me a lovely box as a present.) The few days before Christmas were filled with FW being extremely aggressive towards me, shouting, swearing and poking at me, often while I was breastfeeding and I was vulnerable, couldn't get away, etc, and also pushing me about in the hall (whilst I was holding the baby), or telling me he was going to chuck my stuff onto the lawn in bin bags. I didn't know how I could get through it. And then Christmas Eve he changed like magic, and we were up till 2am singing and laughing together wrapping all the presents (which i couldn't do before because he was keeping me up shouting at me till the early hours in all the days before).

This is how I have spent Christmas Eve this year: I didn't get dressed till 2pm - no wrapping to do, finished it a few days ago. I cleaned the house. I stripped my bed and put on lovely fresh bedding. I baked oranges for Christmas decorations. I played balloons and jigsaws with DS2. I watched Nativity! on telly and laughed my donkey off. I had my Mum and Dad down for a few drinks, and made some Asda frozen nibbles for them and had a laugh/argument about who was funny and who wasn't these days on telly. When they left, on my front door handle I found a carrier bag of presents for my boys from the elderly couple who live in the flat down the stairs.

So take heart, everyone who is yet to leave or has just left. I'm not saying my life is brilliant by any manner of means. But it has so much more to recommend it than my life last year, when I was scared and fearful and a shadow of who I am now. I've got a lot to come in the New Year, initiating divorce and seeing how it's going to go with me seeing my stepdaughters in secret without FW knowing. But I know I can do this. (Right now I know it. In two weeks time I probably will feel otherwise.) And so can all of you. You're all such marvellous, wonderful brave ladies, and I wish you all a happy Christmas, and hope that you do actually have one.

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 24/12/2012 23:08

pony that's so lovely Xmas Smile bless you for a wonderful, inspirational post. Kisses to you and the LOs xxx

MaggieMay05 · 25/12/2012 00:48

Pony I can only echo what Trying said xx

Thinking of you all brave ladies over the next few days xx Usual FWerty here but at least he will be at work a few hours tomorrow and me and DC can play, make a mess, eat chocolate etc without being moaned at. Am going to travel down to my parents for a few days on 27th too just to get away and get my plan back on track so something to look forward to.

Love and strength to you all ladies and thank you for your continued support xx

CharlotteCollinsislost · 25/12/2012 06:09

DCs up at 5:45am - that's not bad, is it?! Xmas Grin

They wanted to open their stocking presents, but FW had said he wanted to be a part of it and he is too tired to wake up yet (was part of midnight service), so they couldn't... He did relent, but the first emotions of my dcs this Christmas morning were worry and upset. Xmas Sad

Oh well. It could be worse... and it will be better (thanks pony for the reminder). Happy Christmas everyone!

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 25/12/2012 09:45

I somehow managed to convince mine when they were little that they couldn't get up and open stuff till it was light Grin

Thinking of you all and wishing you a merry christmas, and if possible a peaceful one.

ponygirlchristmas · 25/12/2012 10:55

I'm obviously a freak, I always refused to open anything until I was dressed (and, when I got older, had to have a shower first as well). So no-one else could open anything till I was dressed - must have driven my family mad!! And then, I am famous for taking ages to open stuff, teasing at the sellotape so it doesn't tear, then meticulously writing down the present in my 'present book' for when I came to do thank you letters. anal I still do it, it still bugs the hell out of family and anyone else who's ever spent Christmas Day with me!

Have just done the first wave of opening DS2's presents - looks like an explosion has happened in a red and yellow plastic factory in my living room. Was fun though. Next task - Skype with DS1, then take DS2 up to his dad's, then run home to get showered and made-up, then pick up my parents to go over to my sisters. All before 1pm. Having a brief rest for five minutes. Phew.

Merry Christmas to you all. Stay strong, ladies, I'll be thinking of you all, all through today. xx

arthriticfingers · 25/12/2012 11:00

:) Pony
Merry Christmas everyone

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 25/12/2012 13:40

Smile to all and thank you pony for your thoughts all day- that made me sniffle a bit Smile hugs to all and all our LOs today xxx

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ponygirlchristmas · 25/12/2012 20:39

Treegles, sorry he's been so self-centred, still after all that's happened, but it's good that you can now see that it's not going to change. Getting organised will help you see things clearer and might help with detaching. Sorry its had to happen though. Sad Hope your day's been ok.

Been thinking of you all today - dropped DS2 at FW's (was actually allowed in my the house!) and it was all fine, very civilised. Had a nice day at my sister's, although at one point in between courses my brother-in-law yelled at my sister for nearly dropping a plate from their special dinner set (they both yell and snipe at each other sometimes) and I just froze in my tracks. Made me feel a bit tearful, as if he'd shouted at me (I was thinking how I would feel it it had been FW shouting at me, I think). But other than that brief moment, it was a lovely day. Picked up DS2 from FW (slightly less civil, I was trying to linger and chat to DSDs but he was ushering me out the door - am slightly worried that he knows I've seen the girls behind his back... Am trying to work out what I'll say if he asks me outright). Am now, finally, chilling out with a glass of wine.

Interestingly, I asked FW when he wanted DS2 again, did he want him over the weekend at some point as usual. No, he said. Again, the girls wouldn't be here over the weekend, were going home tomorrow and wouldn't be back till Monday. So he'd have him Monday (New Year's Eve) if that was ok. I asked again, did he not want him any time between now and then - not seeing him till Monday was nearly a week and he's off work all that time. Pointed out he normally had him during the week at some point as well. He didn't seem keen. All that 'you are keeping my son from me' stuff, yet give opportunities to see DS2 and he can't seem to make any effort. Sad

Anyway. Have been thinking of you all . I know that for a lot of you, it'll have been a hard and unpleasant day. Sad Hope you are all safe and warm at the very least though, and have had an ok day.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 25/12/2012 21:03

Oh well, it was just different family traditions, then, I suppose. As was leaving me to get the dcs ready for a walk while he played carols on the piano. But trying to make sure the dcs were given the inferior quality mince pies so that guests could have better ones (there were plenty good ones for everyone) and excusing it by saying he does the same for himself (never seen him drink water so the guests can have enough wine Xmas Hmm) - that just sounded like, "I treat the kids badly and that's just who I am."

Ok, it's not "bad" treatment as such, but it all demonstrates to us how insignificant we are. He doesn't even need to resort to insults.

Sounds familiar, Treegles. Impossible response to any voicing of concern, isn't it? Designed to stop the conversation dead. (And funny how when my H says, "We need to communicate more," what he really means is clearly, "You need to communicate more.")

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 25/12/2012 21:19

Or he means 'you need to agree with me' Wink

Have told you about Peegate - FWEx repeatedly refusing to lift toilet seat to pee, when I complained about sprinkles he said 'but I find sprinkles from you'. Un-fuckin-believable!