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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 22:11

Treegles, he is most definitely going to put a lot of pressure on you for him to come back, as are his family. You need to be prepared for that, and for what you'll say. Broken record technique, just repeat the same thing over and over: I dont want to see you/talk to you until after Christmas.

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TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 23/12/2012 22:12

leClerc you will all survive this. Things will change, you are changing things. I wish I had some words of wisdom or relevant experience or something. Perhaps just focus on the here and now and the DC (which I expect you are doing anyway)

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ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 22:27

I think he shouldn't be texting DD1 at all. If you can't tell him to not text her, can you ask her to let you have her phone for a few days so you can screen her texts?
I'm glad DD2 said that to you though. Poor girl, she is very confused.

And FW's response made me mad. The reference to 'we cannot force her' - as if you are together on this, and working as a team. And again with the 'I'm not angry or cross'. Is this a stock phrase he has learned? Or is he saying this because he is angry and is^ cross. (Yes, i think so.) It's still all about what he's feeling or isn't - 'I am disappointed... I am upset...I am not angry or cross'. Where is his concern for DD1 and what she is dealing with?

Leclerc, my lovely, there is only so much that you can do, only so much you can deal with. Of course you are exhausted. I think you should go to bed and do your wailing, you will feel better for having a good cry.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 22:35

He has no business telling her his emotions about this! And the "she can change her mind later, tell her" stuff - all so manipulative: piling on the pressure. She is expected to cater to him, to think about how he's coping with her rejection Xmas Hmm and told in not so many words that she'll probably change her mind; it's probably not serious, in other words.

Am Xmas Angry on your behalf, Leclerc!

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 22:41

But even that question at the end was about him really, he wants to know her reasons, he wants her to justify her decision. Nothing about this is about DD1, or any of the other kids. But I know you know that, and it doesn't make things any easier for knowing it. Sad

Do the minimum you have to tonight, then get some rest. Get up earlier if you have to in order to finish stuff, but get some rest. You are important too, and you need to look after you or you wont be able to look after them.

I felt the same about last Christmas. Silver's right, you'll get through this. I did last year, although I didn't actually see how I would. You will. If you have to be posting on here every half an hour in order to make it through, you will do it.

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ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 22:58

Get your groove on then, Leclerc and get it done and then get some sleep. You'll be much more able for tomorrow with some sleep behind you. Can you do it so that DD1 will not see him at all tmrw, leave her at home and go back for her, or leave her with a friend?

And it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, I don't think, if both you and DD1 have a wee cry together tomorrow. And then you can both have a laugh in the car with some daft Christmas singing or something. I hope it all goes ok. I'll be thinking of you all.

xxxxx

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ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 23:05

That's me with my whip! Xmas Grin

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ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 23:16

That's a good idea - both about McD's and your phone alarm. I'm off to bed now too, got to get some sleeeeeeep (and fingers crossed for a silent night, please, for once).

(Have ditched the whip, can't even pretend to be vaguely authorative, am wafting relaxing and uplifting essential oils to you instead, maybe mandarin and some lavender.)

Nite. xx

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 24/12/2012 00:27

Jangle that is so frustrating for you, his lazy-arsed me-ness. Thank God your dd has you as a great parent Smile

Treegles that sounds awful. Your FW sounds just like mine in his MO. I actually said to mine today ? we?re not enemies you know, we both want the same thing ? the best for our kids ? he couldn?t exactly argue with that but his face looked like he?d sucked a lemon. The fact that your ds2 has special needs which aren?t met by your OH will I hope give you some leverage in terms of ensuring safety and happiness (= controlled/supervised contact when with your OH). I don?t know much about the legal side (yet!) but am sending you support over the ether.

I so know what you mean about having a teenage-minded partner - I feel like my fw is stuck mentally at being a horrible 13 yo brother to me, but with all the force and power of a grown man with no authority to rein him in (because I am no match for him physically, so that's his trump card Sad )

leclerc lovey, that sounds so difficult for you and your dds. DD1 is so brave, being so honest with you. She sounds like a really special girl. Like pony said, maybe she?s giving you signals that she?d like you to take over her decision making processes at present. And poor you and DD2, it?s so difficult. I think that age is so hard, apart from anything else. You know already that she?s kicking off with you because she feels safe enough to do so and secure in your love. All our FWs? love seems to be conditional, so the poor love must be subconsciously responding to that, but that doesn?t make anything less painful for you. I am so full of admiration for you as a parent, getting out of the ea situation and making a brighter future for your dcs. I hope tomorrow is less difficult than you feel it?s going to be [hugs]

nini love that sounds horrific. Your poor thing, dealing with all of this. Having a plan, even if it?s not immediately actionable, will I hope give you secret support (like a bra, ha ha) to detach and get you through those awful situations. [hugs]

Yummy just [hugs]. You poor thing. He is wrong. He is playing nasty games with your mind. Even if you don?t believe this on an emotional level, please just keep telling yourself that it is the case. HE is the one with nasty problems. You are the decent one. You will get through this one day, even though it doesn?t feel like it now. Keep posting, everyone on here has been / is in in similar places. Take care and strength and peace to you xx

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 24/12/2012 08:22

What a horrible, manipulative man to have for a father. Xmas Sad

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Bertiebassett · 24/12/2012 09:33

Bloody hell FW has kicked off big time...just what we need for Christmas huh?

It started last night. He found out that some mutual friends are having a little party today and have invited me and DS...but not him. He's furious. He told DS last night that he (FW) wasn't invited (trying to get sympathy from a 4 year old?) and slagged off the friend who's organised the party.

This morning he's blaming me for causing a division in our friends (er...no you've managed that by yourself mate), he's accusing me of being a bully, he's trying to change the schedule we've agreed for DS over the holiday, and....the grande finale...asking me if I want him to kill himself.

DS upset that daddy is shouting at mummy again...Hmm

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ponygirlchristmas · 24/12/2012 10:05

Morning all. What a lot of misery there is around today, that's just so so sad. I wonder if they kick off like this because they think it being Christmas makes them 'safe' - eg, Treegles, that your FW thought there was no way you'd make him leave because it was Christmas, and of course you'll let him back because it's Christmas. If they are thinking like that it gives them licence to behave how they like.

Leclerc - hope your journey has been good and the handover was without problems unlikely. Was thinking about you and your situation lots in the middle of the night (no silent night for me!).

Bertie - he needs someone to blame for the ongoing situation, and it's you I'm afraid, because he can't take responsibility himself, obviously. Get yourself out of the house if you can, even before the party. And if he actually threatens to kill himself, call the police and they might deem him a risk and take him to secure unit.

Treegles - what an awful situation. You are right that it being Christmas makes it incredibly difficult for you to not let him back. You're also right that if he comes back, things will go back to being the way they were before. Could you go and stay with family and let him back home for a few days? I wold advise not going and picking up the note for him, he needs to take responsibility for his own stuff, you can't be running around after him right now, it gives the wrong message. Whatever you decide to do, it doesn't have to be the last word, you can ask him to leave again after Christmas, or come back after Christmas (depending on what you opt for). But stay safe, and stay strong.

How's everyone else - Charlotte, TryTwinkle, Yummy, Jangles, Silvery? (And anyone else I've forgotten, or anyone who's reading and lurking but not yet posting) Hope you're all doing ok, thinking of you all. xx

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