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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/12/2012 20:27

Do you have any funds to get away yourself? Are you feeling ready for that yet?

NiniLegsInTheAir · 23/12/2012 20:34

No, I'm still in debt. Leaving isn't practical for at least a couple of months but I am starting to look for rental places (unknown to him). It's all so exhausting.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/12/2012 20:42

Have you looked into what tax credits/housing benefit you'd be entitled to?

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 20:55

Welcome to Treegles - it would definitely be best if he would leave, that at least gives you a breather to think about things and consider the next step. See a solicitor. If you have concerns about visitation, you can specify that he not see them on his own (eg with his mum there or at a contact centre). But first of all take a deep breath and get through Christmas. Read the links at the top, and get some RL support as well. We'll be here to listen.

Jangles, you're right, he's just doing what he wants. If he had to have DD at 10am, you would have been within your rights to say no, he picks her up at 10am or not at all. But I know it's hard to follow through on doing that, even if you know it's within your rights - and that's because he believes he's entitled to do what he likes, and you are used to him doing just that. When do you start mediation?

Leclerc - poor DD1. She's very brave to be honest with you and be so open about how she's feeling. Can you ask FW not to contact her at all? A complete breather from him in all forms might help. What a difficult situation for you all. But well done for being strong yourself and making that decision for her. You might need to make further decisions for the benefit of her ongoing welfare. Hope things have gone ok this evening with telling FW.

Nini - can you go out for a while on your own, just a drive or something? You need to get some space for yourself, some breathing time. Focus on getting through tonight. I think the time is coming for some big changes, or you are just going to go under. Fight for yourself. The must be another option other than just battling on and on and on in this relationship. Even if your mum lives 3 hrs away, could you go just for a few days then see what happens? What about a friend, even a far-away one?

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 20:57

Ah, cross-posted, I see you are looking for rental places. I'm glad you are making a plan. Sending you many hugs tonight. Sending everyone hugs.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 21:06

Glad to hear you're looking at rental place, Nini - I think things are a bit more bearable if you've got a goal to work towards, however far off it might seem. Hope you locate Wine. And strength!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 21:12

AF just spoke to me (on another thread) - AIBU to be excited?! Xmas Grin Xmas Grin

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 21:16

Charlotte - No!!!!!!! Xmas Grin

I was jumping up and down the first time the legendary Hissy made reference to a post I'd made.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 21:23
Xmas Grin
yummytummy · 23/12/2012 21:28

hi, anyone around am feelng like am going mad. tried to confront him today after days of him not speaking to me after he headbutted and punched me on weds. then i just got i am not ready to talk yet then i said what about me do u realise this is physical assault i could call police. he said go on then i will dial for u. i would have but kids in house didnt want them to see that.

anyway then he said u are so thick get your ugly face out of my face and started shoving and pushing me down i was so scared at this point, and said just leave take your stuff and leave. i am not leaving its my house u leave. anyway then i called his brother to come and make him leave. he left then i am going with the kids tomorrow to stay with a relative.

all week have felt so numb and frozen its a huge effort to decide what food to make what to do next all the little things. cant eat just feel so so exhausted and tense over which abuse will be next. am glad will be away next few days but then what? have to be back for work on fri but then another weekend to dread.

i have phoned wa and spoken to a gp and ss and a solicitor but now am just so numb feel like staying in bed or just running away cant cope with all this really feel am going crazy, how can he be normal to everyone but me? he has me convinced its all my fault, if i was thinner, better at housework not as crap then he wouldnt have to do this.

feel so low and really dont want to be here anymore

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/12/2012 21:36

Yummy, you have done amazingly well contacting people as you have. Why dont you ring in sick to get yourself a bit more time? Saying it's norivirus would get you a few days. You don't ever have to go back, you know.

TisILeclerc · 23/12/2012 21:38

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JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 23/12/2012 21:39

Hey yummy - please don't listen to him ( making you feel any of it is your fault )

Maybe you can be free soon - that is something to hold on to ?

Stay safe and much love to you from us all x

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 21:43

Seconding the congratulations - you are making big steps away from him, well done. None of it is your fault; he is normal with everyone else because he is abusive - his problem, not yours. You will feel so much more competent, attractive, valuable once you have had time and space away from him. I don't suppose you believe that yet, but keep plugging on to the goal. One day things will look brighter. Take care. x

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 23/12/2012 21:44

I mean yummy - if you were thinner/ better at housework all would be well ?!

FFS ! This is just bollox !

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 21:47

Hey Yummy, that's just awful, very scary for you. You've done well to make the decision to go, and to have marshalled some support for your decision from GP, WA, SS.

It's not you, it's him. It's nothing to do with being thinner or anything - those are just ways he knows he can wound you. You could be a supermodel and you'd end up being treated like this by him because he wants to see you under his boot, not doing well for yourself and flourishing as a person.

Definitely ring in sick. Or get the GP to sign you off.

Stay strong - you were strong to take action and call his brother. Don't let him back in, call the police if he comes back. (Why not call them anyway, on their non-emergency number 101, to let them know what's happened so that they can be on alert if you have to call them, it will help get them there quicker.) Get through tonight. You can do this.

TisILeclerc · 23/12/2012 21:50

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JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 23/12/2012 21:54

Are they all in bed yet LeClerc ? Tomorrow is another day ?
One day at a time x

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 23/12/2012 21:56

I havnt looked into benefits in any great detail Matchsticks, until I'm out of debt and the house is in a sellable condition its all a big pipe dream anyway. Even going away for a few days isnt really an option right now. I need to get my big exam in mid-Jan out of the way before I can think on what to do next. Right now Im hiding in the bathroom.

Sorry for the lack of support to the rest of you tonight. But I am thinking of you all.

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 21:57

Leclerc - how would you feel about stopping contact altogether, for all the kids? Maybe for a period of a month or something? The reason i suggest that is it's having a distressing affect on all the kids, even DD2 (although she's expressing the distress in different ways). I don't know if you were following the thread by Chocoreturns, but she did something similar, sanctioned through her lawyer, because continued contact was causing her such distress due to his pressure and difficult behaviour. Here it's the kids that are being distressed. Although, I do worry, as I'm sure do you do, how that will affect DD2 given that she is so much an acolyte, as you say. But something to consider maybe after Christmas.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 23/12/2012 21:59

That last one was to yummy, probably obviously.

Leclerc - FW hasn't responded? Spect he's waiting till you're about ready to go to bed, that's his usual way, isn't it? Xmas Hmm

Sounds like your dd2 has been picking up some unhealthy attitudes and behaviours from her father over the years. Which I guess is unsurprising as they were normalised until recently. Really tough having to think about the effect of contact on her.

ponygirlchristmas · 23/12/2012 22:00

Could you call on some external agency for support, help, advice? What about calling Women's Aid, or would the counsellor at his programme be available to talk to you about this? I know it'll maybe be hard at this time of year to get hold of people though. Sad What about the Respect phoneline, or Parentline? I think you need to speak to someone and get some feeling of a way forward to help you.

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