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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
arthriticfingers · 21/12/2012 17:53

Just wanted to wish everyone a good Christmas - and a FW free Happy New Year.

arthriticfingers · 21/12/2012 17:54

Leclerk - what silver said. :)

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 18:09

I love the coffee centres, twill be a commune rule that I am to eat all yours Xmas Grin

And a big festive wave and hug to fingers

arthriticfingers · 21/12/2012 18:37

hugs and festive wishes to you, too - Onwards and Upwards with chins up and tits out :)

ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 19:30

Juggling - you are entirely right, he could (and so far hasn't, what's the bet he waits till last minute to ask?). It's my desire to 'fix' a sad situation and be seen to be being 'people-pleaser' that I need to rein in. He just takes advantage of that side of me, and then never remembers that I've done that when he next accuses me of keeping his son from him.

Silvery - things are coming together nicely for the commune, everyone is using their niche skills. You are in charge of coffee centres, Fi will 'ohhhhmmm' for us all and Charlotte can manage the ironing!

Many hugs and festive wishes to you too. How are you doing?

janglebells2013 · 21/12/2012 19:36

hugs and festive wishes to everyone too... hope we all have a 'quiet' christmas with no drama from FW's

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 21/12/2012 19:38

pony I am also still in people-pleasing mode. It is a hard habit to break when you've been used to it for so long.
Today FW asked me if I could start off his christmas dinner for him when I drop the kids off on christmas day to spend the morning with him. Then asked if I was going to stay there with the kids. This is the same man who tried to blackmail me last week. Then just now he rang and spat the dummy because I got my friend's husband to assemble the dc's play kitchen after he told me last week I would have to find someone else.
It seems even now I'm supposed to let him have his tantrums and then pick up as normal afterwards. Isn't happening.

ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 19:53

Glad to hear it Matchsticks. He can blinking well do his own dinner (and entertain his kids himself)! The cheek of him!!!!! But I know what you mean, despite knowing you shouldn't, there's still a little part of you that feels you should. Glad you are fighting it! Xmas Grin And shame on you for getting someone else to do assemble the kitchen, you should have known that what he meant was: he wasn't going to do it so you could suffer and realise how much you do need him. You've gone and spoiled foiled it, and so he is justifiably angry at you. Simples!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 19:56

Ugh, NSDH has come home with manflu just a mild cold and runny nose and apparently has a sore leg. He's done nothing but whinge since he got through the door. I've told him he can either stop whinging or go to bed, I don't wanna hear it. Wet blanket. Apparently I'm 'not being supportive and carying'. Hmm

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 19:57

That should say caring. lol

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 21/12/2012 19:59

Exactly that pony! How dare I not be dependent on him!

ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 20:10

Nini - maybe he does actually think that a good wife would be carrying - carrying him to his bed, where you'd mop his fevered brow. Has he gone to bed yet?

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 20:49

Fraid not, hes just moping around with a face like a slapped arse. Thats exactly what he wants me to do pony. There was a time when i would. Not now.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 21/12/2012 20:55

Can I have the orange centres to stop them tainting the box? I like any centre, so long as there's chocolate wrapped round it. Xmas Grin

The fog is descending again...

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 21:05

Care to elaborate Charlotte? Can we help blow the fog away?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 21/12/2012 21:17

Turns out it's harder to think of him as a FW when he's actually here... And when he's sad that I'm so frosty towards him. He keeps complimenting me, and saying, "See how nice I am?"

I can see that he's still self-absorbed (although every time he takes notice of a dc I wonder about that, too), and entitled. But the anger has left me and I just have a huge weariness left. And any examples of FWery are from years ago, so seem irrelevant.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 21/12/2012 21:29

I get that charlotte. I can have a perfectly civil, pleasant conversation with my FW. He bends over backwards to help other people and is in charm mode at the moment. But there are still enough moments where the mask slips for me to know I have made the right decision.

janglebells2013 · 21/12/2012 21:35

hugs Charlotte. its about they cycle. there can be a long time of good times and then incidents where it all goes pear shaped. keep a watch what happens... is this the nicey nicey stage of the cycle? if it is, its purpose is to keep us in the relationship. the time and repetitive nature of everything will allow you to tell what the score is.

dh is being nice at the minute too . and i feel soooo guilty. about everything, especially at Christmas. he took dd to see santa tonight, and dropped her off with her picture and present. the picture included him in it, and he said 'i would appreciate it if you would put this picture up in the house, so dd can see her with me, im her father'. its all very emotional.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 21:41

I'm also with you Charlotte. NSDH is in his nicey phase too - and it IS just a phase. These cycles always come around, but when you're in a 'good' phase it is all too easy to forget. In fact, I've even found myself thinking about what it would be like to have a second child within the next 2 years even though we havn't had sex in over 3 months now and have done it a grand total of 4 times this year. It's so confusing Sad

He's finally gone to bed! Hurrah!

ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 21:50

Thinking bout you Charlotte. Everyone's right - this is part of his gameplan. He can see you detaching. If he kept being as he normally is, he knows he is on his way to losing you (that's how aware he is of his own behaviour). My FW would do this all the time. It was a rollercoaster - I was as low as I could get with his abuse, and sure it was over. Then he'd be so nice, poetry, flowers, affirmations, dinners. And then it was all my fault if I still wasn't happy, because he was putting so much effort in.

Jangle - you don't have to put the picture up if you don't want to. DD doesn't need pictures of her dad to know who he is. He only wants it up so you can see it and know he's her dad.

janglebells2013 · 21/12/2012 22:02

pony i wonder what is normal in this situation... when people separate i wonder if others have pics of their ex's with the kids up. its all a bit upsetting really. you don't want to be thinking of them all the time. but again, i got the feeling from him that it would be so unreasonable of me if i didn't put it up, cos he's her father!

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 22:03

Only a FW would say 'see how nice I am.'

HTH Wink

CharlotteCollinsislost · 21/12/2012 22:04

Thanks for all your encouragement. I'm just not sure if the nice phase will last all the way up to leaving - that would make it tough! He has admitted (again) that it's a strain being so nice Xmas Shock while he doesn't know where he stands. But then said he doesn't think he's that mean when he's not making an extra-special effort. Xmas Hmm

Wine for Nini.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 21/12/2012 22:05

Xmas Grin at Silver. True (although possibly not a reason for leaving on its own!).

CharlotteCollinsislost · 21/12/2012 22:07

He can have the picture up in his house, Jan, so that she can see it when she's with him. And he gets the bonus of looking good when others see it, too!