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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 20/12/2012 21:18

Hi, Juggling - are you the Juggling I know or a new one? Am also finding the idea of Christmas rather stressful - so looking forward to seeing the dcs open their presents, but all the rest? FW might not be going away again for four weeks - it's gonna be tough!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/12/2012 21:21

Had my ipod on today. Leavin' by Shelby Lynne came on. It is a beautiful song, but never has a song spoken to me like that one does. Summed up my situation perfectly.

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 20/12/2012 22:27

Hi Charlotte - Yes we've spoken before haven't we ? Thanks for the friendly thoughts - and yes DC's looking forward to Christmas and moments with them keep you going don't they ? DS is counting the days, he gives us an update each morning Xmas Smile I guess a few pressies and a roast lunch and he'll be happy !
I hope your Christmas is OK and peaceful - and the same best wishes to everyone here.

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TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 10:38

Careful leClerc - I would tone down what you say to DD2 as that sounds too detailed and defensive to me, and also could be interpreted by her as a bit threatening. Let all that be in your mind when you talk to her, but I suggest merely saying that the SW, who knows about these things, agrees with your decision. That keeps it as your decision, and keeps you as the parent, who is in charge.

Not envying the roof bars and box battle one bit!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 10:43

Sorry I didn't get online last night - was too busy enjoying my NSDH free evening Grin. Had a text from him at about half 10 to tell me he was back in his hotel room, didn't reply though.

Wave to arth! Long time no see Smile

Juggling, I'm dreading xmas but looking forward to it at the same time. DD is nearly 2 so its the first year she's started to grasp what it means, she doesn't understand Father Christmas yet but loves the xmas tree. I'll be having my Mum here and she and my NSDH tend to gang up on me about my hoarding, which is very stressful. My evil FIL will be making an appearance too which always sends my blood pressure up.

Leclerc, hope you're ok, you sound very stressed. Is there a friendly neighbour who can help you with the roof box? Think very carefully about how to phrase what you need to say to DD2, in case she passes this on to FW, you don't want him doing the "ITS ALL A LIE" parade if you can avoid it.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 10:44

X-cross with Silver Smile

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 21/12/2012 10:53

Hi Nini - It's nice to read the honesty of others who are "dreading Christmas but looking forward to it at the same time" Xmas Smile

It's a mixed bag isn't it ? An assortment collection with some yucky coconut centres to give you a nasty surprise, and some meltingly lovely praline moments (usually with the DC's) ? Xmas Grin

Hope you have some lovely moments with DD this year, and that everyone else miraculously behaves themselves for once !
Hope your DD is the only one to have any toddler tantrums and that these are short lived Smile
Fingers crossed for all x

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 11:09

Agree with you juggling! Except I shall swap the yucky coconut centres for yucky hazelnut centres as I'm a weird person who likes coconut Xmas Grin

Hope you have a peaceful xmas free of nasty 'D'H comments (or at least the extra strength to get through unscathed) Xmas Smile

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 21/12/2012 11:13

I think the soft centres are actually my worst - especially strawberry or coffee, but I know coconut has a bit of a reputation - artistic license !

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 11:41

Beware of the orangey ones - they taint the whole box. Keep them as separate as you can!

I like this metaphor :)

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 12:42

Leclerc, I totally understand where you're coming from, it's totally normal to want to shake DD and open her eyes to the real person her Dad is. But you can't, she has to do that herself. FWIW, my parents are currently getting divorced (my sister is also 12), and they are doing the whole 'he's bad', 'no she's bad' thing. Result? My baby sister is very messed up and confused about the whole thing. 12 year olds just aren't able to mentally cope with it, everything is still black and white to them. The best thing you can do for her is to be calm, supportive, gentle and loving with her and rant to us about FW Grin. She'll eventually realise what's what when she's a bit more grown up. But of course I understand how difficult it is, so many hugs. Smile And hooray for roofbox victory!

Coffee is definitely the worst. Love Silvers metaphor - the orangey ones (NSDH? Grin) taint the whole box!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 21/12/2012 12:44

And she doesn't hate you, she's just processing it all. Doesn't mean you get to be a doormat so I'd be telling her that you're not mean and spiteful and that not everything is what it appears at first, and leave it at that.

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TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 13:08

Had to deal with DD(17-21 ie to date) thinking FW is wonderful, and that I am a stoned loony. We have had several rows in which I said she didn't know the full facts, and I was not going to tell her. But we still knew it did not affect our love for each other, her and me, and told each other so. She is now living at his, we are getting on as a mum and 21yr old DD should.

You do not need to justify yourself to her. Later on it is quite likely she will come to understand, I quite admire DD for sticking to her loyalty, and I also admire myself for keeping the truth firmly in my head and not ranting and badmouthing him much to her.

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ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 13:29

Nini and Silver are most wise.

Aw Leclerc, you are not in any way a bad person for wanting to tell the truth about FW. Part of it is frustration, perhaps, that you feel while they don't know they are still at risk of being manipulated by him themselves, it's like wanting to arm them so they can be on their guard, not walking into the lion's den with open arms (Xmas Hmm sorry for the mixed metaphors...). I feel it too. With my stepdaughters, one was very much 'older' (despite only being two years older), and she saw it and got it. My younger DSD was/is very much a Daddy's girl, and he knew this so used to target her directly when he was badmouthing me. I think even now she's conflicted about the situation.

Maybe you need to get a strategy straight in your head on how to deal with DD2's refusal to see her dad for what he is. It might help you have a plan for what to say when really you want to say the truth. Maybe it's something you could talk to the programme counsellor about, and possibly even DDs' counsellor?

I'm with you on the coffee centres - it's about the only thing I wont eat. (Unless it's all that's left in the house and I feel I might die if I don't have chocolate, I have been known to choke one down, gagging in the process.)

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ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 14:03

And maybe a little pre-Christmas manicure treat for Leclerc too? Go on. Xmas Grin

I'm taking DS1 off to the airport in about an hour. Feel ok about it, just feel really tired, tbh. But I finished my wrapping last night, so I won't have that hanging over me for the next few evenings. I plan to spend them horizontal on the sofa in front of the telly with a box of non-coffee chocs, which I hardly ever do because I've been trying to keep myself busy. But I need a rest!

ponygirlchristmas · 21/12/2012 14:15

Just had a text from FW, saying that his Nan's funeral is on Christmas Eve so he wouldn't be able to have DS2 for the afternoon as we'd arranged. That's a shame all round - sad that his Nan has died, and at this time of year, and that he wont then have seen DS2 for about 10 days by the time he has him on Christmas Day.

My natural reaction was to reply asking him if he wanted to have DS2 for some time over the weekend (despite the fact he's already told me he has plans so can't) or on Monday morning instead of the afternoon. But I deleted that text. I can't let myself do his running around for him, offering up DS2 here there and everywhere, probably inconveniencing myself in the process. I know this is a good thing (for me) that I've not sent that text, but I feel bad! But it's a step towards detaching from him.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/12/2012 16:31

Well done ponygirl!

leClerc you have it worse than me - there was no to-ing and fro-ing of DC for a start. Also up till last year, though resentful of cocklodger Ex, I still had deluded hope that he would sort himself out Blush As we were all living under same roof, DD and I rarely kicked off, as I was well practised at the fake life we were living Sad

JugglingMeYorkiesAndNutRoast · 21/12/2012 17:19

Like you say pony he could presumably have suggested such alternatives himself ?

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