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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/12/2012 11:34

Tell him you've decided to call it Lucifer so it reminds you of him!

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 19/12/2012 12:09

Maggie I'm so glad I'm not the only one who snorted before I could stop myself re super gran on her F1 scooter BlushBlush
What a fe your FW was to make that appalling comment about shelters! Angry

Nini we'll be here to see you through Xmas xxx

Leclerc I'm on my phone so can't view the teddy of doom but I'm dying to Grin Could he contain a ted cam as maggie said? BearConfused Maybe superted could go and play at nursery? !

My FW off work still Sad

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yummytummy · 19/12/2012 12:22

hi dont know if this is the right place but need help and head really fucked up.

so FW has been awful for a while.

last night we bickered he went off to other room to sleep. this morning i was still upset so muttered some random comment how he hadnt washed up his breakfast bowl he then lost it.

turned around came after me pushed me up against the sink and was repeatedly headbutting me in the face i was screaming but he didnt stop until i managed to knee him in groin

somehow got ready took ds to school and me to work then am just now sat in shock

he always says i provoke him and make him lose it but am sick of always being told its my fault he hits me. just fed up.

please help

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/12/2012 12:29

Yummytummy. Please ring the police. Are you safe now? Take what you can carry and get somewhere safe. Now. You have been assaulted and you need to make sure that never happens to you again.
Can you go to family?

yummytummy · 19/12/2012 14:37

hi, am safe for now will just do school pick up then the bastard doesnt usually get home till late. but normally i would go zumba today and would hav checked he wd be home in time for the kids but as he is now pissed off as i have angered him he will come late on purpose so i cant go.

i think my back may be bruised and bum where he pushed me against the sink but cant see obviously. its awful but i am kind of used to it now this wasnt actually a bad one it hurt more last time now am just numb to it. i have to block it out or i wouldnt be able to carry on each day.

my family are away at the momment but when they are here they are useless when i told parents last time they sided with him and said i shouldnt try to make him angry. but they arent the best role models as my dad was always awful to mum so they think thats normal. very much of the generation where the woman would just put up with any old crap as just her husband having a bit of a temper.

my inlaws will never hear or listen to anything about their son as he would never be in the wrong it must be me.

all this fucks with my head even more so i am convinced it is my fault and feel utterly alone and isolated

MaggieMay05 · 19/12/2012 14:50

Oh Yummy hope you are ok? I agree with what the others said but as someone still trapped in a physical abuse and other abusive situation myself know its not always easy to do that as could make the situation worse. If you feel you can't call the police etc, please please start doing what myself and a few others are doing on here and plan your escape safely.I ran on quite a few occassions and its never stuck, I've always gone back to which the abuse gets worse. I'm now planning properly-long term, arranging a house etc so there will be no turning back. If that is the case with you, right now whilst he isn't around I would get an emergency bag packed for you and DS, passports, DS bits etc so if you do get up and run you have that to hand straight away. I also have spare keys in my emergency bag as FW has been known to lock me in and hide my keys after a row Blush. Detach detach detach and you will just need to be a very good actress for a while. I stress, this is just my situation, but please take the advice of the other ladies first. If you can leave and call the police etc, please please do and only use my advice to stay and play the long game to escape as the last resort-its not plesent. Stay safe and stay strong. It is NOT your fault and you deserve so much better (something I have to try and remind myself too on a daily basis or I get sucked back in) take care.

ponygirlchristmas · 19/12/2012 14:56

yummy, am so sad to hear what you are going through. We are here to listen if you want to talk - you said it's been worse before?

Please read through this thread - we have all, at various points, been convinced it is all our fault. It isn't. Ever.

You've posted on here, so you must know it's wrong. It's the first step to getting you and DCs out of your awful situation.

yummytummy · 19/12/2012 15:04

i know its wrong but its just gradually become the new normal over time. its just like the boiling frog analogy thats been used on here, it just builds slowly then before you k now whats happened this is where you are.

at the moment the most i feel able to do is the packing of the emergency bag etc stuff and gathering info etc. its so hard as this will be crap for a few days then he will calm down and mimimise it and then it just carries on till the next time. i just feel stuck in the cycle and its easier to just try and block it out and stay busy with the dc's as if i stop to think and feel and process it i think i will have a nervous breakdown.

ponygirlchristmas · 19/12/2012 15:06

Just catching up with all the posts from yesterday and this morning. Leclerc, what can I say? I'd give him FW's name, then exorcise some demons by ripping the stuffing out of him. Or else, donate to the local women's refuge (Maggie's FW would certainly love that idea Xmas Hmm).

There is obviously something Granny-ish in the air. After all the shenanigans with DS2 going to FW's tonight or not, he now isn't, because FW's Nana passed away last night so he's going over to see his mum. Instead, me and both boys are going out for a lovely Christmas dinner together at Frankie & Benny's. I'm taking crackers.

MaggieMay05 · 19/12/2012 15:45

Oh Yummy your relationship very much sounds like mine. I had been brainwashed into thinking it was all normal until a couple of friends accidently witnessed one of the (milder) incidents. Their reaction to it absolutely shocked me and gave me the wake up call too see how bad this abuse is I am subjected to. That was only a physical episode they witnessed, they know nothing of the financial, emotional and sexual abuse I also have. Please the very least get an emergency bag ready and make an escape plan-somewhere you would go to if you had to last minute, then start planning for your and DSs future-how are things with you financially? I have gone from well off career woman to being 7K in debt and not having a pot to p1ss in thanks to FW so I will need to go on benefits when I get out and try and put deposits for a new rented home on the last amount left on my credit cards. You will feel so much better if you make a step by step plan and have something to work towards for a better life. Try and speak to womans aid if you can-i could never get through so haven't but others have and they are great, I spoke to gingerbread instead, they gave me a list of what I would be entitled to and advise on what steps legally I could take. Once you start detaching you will feel so much stronger I promise. Lots of us have been where you are now and whilst lots of us still are trapped we have got ourselves to a better place in our heads and this helps us get through another day. A means to an end. We are here if you need any advice about escape plans etc or just need a cry. Take care.

MaggieMay05 · 19/12/2012 15:47

Pony enjoy crimbo dinner! Xmas Grin

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winniemum · 19/12/2012 19:57

Sorry to hear about your experience Yummy. It's terrible isn't it?
Just needed some advice myself.
My H is constantly making snide remarks. Latest one today was 'your darling son has texted me to let me know he'll be home from Uni today' With the emphasis on 'darling' They have an awful relationship. He was being nasty.
I didn't reply but just walked calmly out of the room. Is this what detaching is?
I keep reading that I should detach from my EA husband but don't know exactly what it means. Can you give me some examples please.
I'm re reading the Lundy book. I bought it in the summer and focused on the bits that didn't apply to me, as I was trying to convince myself he wasn't EA, but after my latest terrible episodes with him I'm re reading it. I now think it was written with me in mind!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/12/2012 20:07

I don't think I realised I had been detaching until I read Lundy after leaving.
I had started to sleep in the spare room, convincing myself it was because of his snoring, but had started to go straight up there instead of waiting for his snoring to disturb me.
He used to tell me he loved me at the end of phone calls as routine and I had started to just say " Yeah, see you later!" rather than reciprocate. I did my own thing a lot of the time as I knew it wasn't worth asking him to do things with me and the dc. So really, had detached a great deal before the final straw came.

ponygirlchristmas · 19/12/2012 20:48

Hey winnie, that must hard to deal with, him having a bad relationship with your son. In terms of detaching, I think (not that I'm very good at it) it's about putting emotional distance between you and him. So that if he says something nasty, you don't react in the way you would normally, it's more from a distance. i think you saying nothing and leaving the room is probably detaching. Do you have a longer term plan yet?

Well, we went to F&B's first time ever taking both boys out on my own, and we had a lovely time (even when DS2 grabbed the last of my waffles and ice-cream off my plate in his grubby first and attempted to shove the whole lot in his mouth - DS1 was on the floor in hysterics! Xmas Grin). Then we came back and opened some Christmas presents (at DS1's insistence, of course). My boys done me proud. I am now sporting a much-needed pair of new slippers (rock and roll, I know, but I'm really pleased!), and a lovely necklace. DS2 had to be prised off his ride-on from DS1 to go to bed. And DS1's face when he opened his last (and main) present from me - a large box of Moshi Monsters - was an absolute picture, you can't fake that kind of over-the-moonness when you are only 6. And thing is, that was a last-minute addition bought today, as I felt the other things didn't look like much (and I had 'acquired' most of them rather than bought them). So i feel like I've done my mummy-Santa duty today, am feeling happy that I gave DS1 a good pre-Christmas meal (complete with our own crackers) and can now send him off to his Dad's on Friday happy with my efforts.

And now I'm completely knackered! DS2 was up for about 3hrs in the middle of the night last night. Didn't know whether to call a doctor or a priest, he looked possessed he was screaming so much! Fingers crossed for a full night's sleep tonight (althoug looking doubtful, there goes the baby siren...) [fbrew]

CharlotteCollinsislost · 19/12/2012 21:12

yummy, that is truely shocking. It sounds horrific. But how awful for you not to have the support of either set of parents. No wonder you feel unable to think. I have not experienced PA anywhere close to the scale on which you've described, but the EA headfuck put me in the same situation of being unable to process much at once. When you say, "the most I can do...", that's great. You do the most you can do today. Maybe next month you can manage a little more. It's all progress; it's all baby steps.

The Lundy book is great, isn't it, winnie? I think detaching is like stepping back from the action and watching it like an observer. You think, "Aha! Sure I've read something in Lundy's book about that..." rather than being caught up in the emotion.

I have no idea how to detach without making it blindingly obvious to FW, though. FW said last night this situation can't continue because every time he comes home he wonders whether I'll still be here. That was pretty scary because it sounded like he was reading my mind! He wanted to talk; I didn't - I've said all I need to. I have fudged the issue of EA, though and I'm not sure whether I should've been more direct - I said he needs therapy (he's narcissistic, I don't think it'll do any good in reality, but said this back in July), but I guess I really think he would need to be in a program for abusers to have any chance of changing. Still, don't suppose he'll do anything about it, at least till I've left and then I can maybe mention the A word...

Leclerc - how weirdly unpleasant, sending you a teddy. Can you "regift" it (to a 6yo for whom it'd be perfect!)?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 19/12/2012 21:15

pony, glad you had a good evening; it sounds lovely. Fingers crossed for a better night tonight.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 19/12/2012 21:31

yummy please keep posting. I hope you're ok. When my husband knocked me over in April so I hurt my knee, I took photos of the bruises. Just in case I should ever need them. He is a lot like your husband I think, lots of subtle stuff then an explosion, then quiet again. Just to make you doubt yourself. This isn't normal for a relationship.

Glad you had a good evening pony Smile.

My day got worse, believe it or not. I reversed into another mum's car at nursery (no excuse but it was dark, the car park is small and I was rushing and not paying attention). Luckily it was a mum I know well, but she was still pretty pissed and said she'd have a look at her car in daylight and let me know. Sad I checked my car afterwards and there was no damage, but I drive an old banger and she drives a flash new 4x4. Just when you think you've hit rock bottom...

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