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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 18/12/2012 13:14

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/12/2012 13:20

That's so sad pony Sad. I hate it when they've already made a decision and try to pass it on as your own. Poor DS1. But at least you can take him out somewhere special. Agree with Leclerc that maybe you need to think of a gentle way to explain to him how things are? I get the impression that if left to your FW, he will only give the poor boy more grief.

Lol at flutters Leclerc! I remember those, they were so nice... Will your FW's Grandma breaking her hip affect you in some way? Were you close to her?

So goddamn tired, struggling to focus at work. Got a work xmas party to go to this afternoon but just want to curl up in bed and sleep.........

ponygirlchristmas · 18/12/2012 13:22

Thanks Leclerc. I do fully intend to talk to him, I spoke to his dad about it all yesterday, but just wanted to let him have a stress-free Christmas first without any heavy thoughts on his mind. But maybe I should tell him, then he can talk to his dad about it while he's down there. But I just don't want to think of him being upset about this and it spoiling his Christmas. I don't want him to be Xmas Sad.

Last text reeks of smug pleasure that he got his way.

Charlotte, doesn't it just? Glad it's not just me that thought that. I still struggle to believe that he can be as cold as to just dump DS1 like that. I can't believe anyone could, much less someone I loved. [Note past tense there. Maybe not quite there yet, but am working on it, with a little help from FW himself.]
I also struggle to believe you are right about your reasons why he still wants to see DS2. But you could well be. It's very much 'him and the girls' still, and DS2 is a bit inconvenient in stopping them getting on with their day because he has to look after him on his own. He's asked me to pick him up early a few times at the weekend because he wants to do stuff with the girls.

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/12/2012 13:38

Ah, then that does indeed suck, Leclerc. Sad Maybe best you can hope for is that she isn't discharged? Doesn't sound like either she or the DCs will have much of an xmas otherwise. Oh dear Sad

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 13:59

Sounds like a horrible situation all round Leclerc. One of my main irritations with FW was that he would blame me and the dc for things that were clearly accidents. It was so stressful.

ponygirlchristmas · 18/12/2012 14:30

Leclerc, what a hard situation. Any chance you can simply insist that DCs can't have Christmas there if Grandma is out of hospital? I guess not. Xmas Sad But worth a go maybe? You could say that it would affect grandma's recuperation, that you are only thinking of her and the extra work that FW's parents will now have?

Nini, hoping you've managed to avoid the party and are curled up under a desk somewhere snoozing. Xmas Grin (I had a friend who did that, she actually took her own pillow to work and would hide under desks and go to sleep!)

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 18/12/2012 15:07

ponygirl posted: I finally asked him to be honest, said it was fine for DS1 to go up, it was fine if he didn't want to see him. His response:
We've been over this, that's my point about not dragging things out. Could u accept it and deal with it.'

Did you text anything to which he had to answer 'yes' or 'no'? Such as 'do you want DS1 to come?' Then at least he would have had to type something unequivocal. He can't even talk straight by text, but if you are short and to the point you can make him.

Mind you FW was a master at weaselly words by email.

jangle make sure you have the financials at your fingertips, so you can get some idea of how you might be placed in the future. Who earns what, who owns what, any career breaks etc. And think what you want - eg to try to keep house (sorry can't remember housing situation).

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 20:40

Oh dear, sorry that dd2 is so mixed up about it. Is she quite closed off to talking about how she feels at home? Sorry if there is back story I have missed.
Was she not as aware of the DV as dd1?

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 20:55

Sad That is such a hard situation for you isn't it? As obviously you don't want to be the one trashing her dad in her eyes. However, as you are deadly serious about it being over there must be some gentle way of making her understand.
Do you think the counsellor will get her to understand? Or is there maybe a book aimed at her age group that she wouldn't find too patronising?
My dc are 5 ( christmas eve) and 2.5, so it has been a lot more clear cut and simplistic in terms of explanations. I am trying to put my teacher head on here to think of a way to help.

TisILeclerc · 18/12/2012 20:58

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 21:01

However, she can't have been totally happy when you were all living together as the tension must have been obvious. As much as you may be on the receiving end of her fury now, in time she will no doubt realise you had her best interests at heart?
Is it worth speaking to FW and getting him to tell her with you that the split is permanent? Or is he still not taking it in?
My FW rang me from the shopping centre earlier for me to direct him to HMV and then asked if we were going to buy presents for each other this year! Maybe mine needs a hammer and chisel approach too. Although the divorce petition should have been a strong hint...

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 21:13

Hmm, difficult one then. Is it new year that the course will finish then?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/12/2012 21:16

One of my main irritations with FW was that he would blame me and the dc for things that were clearly accidents. It was so stressful.

Glad you said that, Matchsticks, that's reassuring - I have been worrying about the head-banged-in-door incident since Sunday, that I'd been unreasonable and he'd been right.

Wow, Leclerc, that's such a tough one - trying to talk openly and honestly with dd1 about things and having dd2 wanting to shut the conversation down. Is she hearing from FW that this is just a break, do you think? Or is it what she needs to believe at the moment?

Hope you're enjoying the Baileys. Haven't had that in a while: used to love it, but it just makes me want to boak now thanks to FW associations...

TisILeclerc · 18/12/2012 21:16

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/12/2012 21:18

Oh, ok, x-post. I can understand your motivation. Can you keep it quiet from him for that long, though? And do you remember the man in Lundy who seemed to be making good progress on the course and backslid dramatically when he realised there was no chance of reuniting with his wife?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/12/2012 21:20

x-post again, can't keep up!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 21:20

Do you know, even if my FW did a course like that, over the last 7 years he has gradually eroded all the love I had for him through his treatment of me.
I couldn't be persuaded to go back to someone who has shown me such a lack of compassion, respect and kindness over the years and valued me only in terms of the service I provide.
Do you still love him leclerc? People used to ask me way before I left and I could never answer right away. I was staying in the relationship mainly because I wanted to be with the dc as much as I wanted without having to share them, not because I still loved him. Just thinking that on completion of his course could you ever feel right towards him again?

TisILeclerc · 18/12/2012 21:24

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/12/2012 21:26

Are you looking for him to complete the course to help with his relationship with your dc then?