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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 14

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foolonthehill · 10/12/2012 21:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
PrincessFionne · 17/12/2012 11:13

beautiful festive nn's TBTwinkle and SilverTinselly

My NSDM Maggie also put up with lots of abuse from FW NSDF as did we, but she was very distant and cold and not about to have any form of discussions about anything with us, but I do remember being brave enough on a couple of occasions to say she should leave him. Bizarrely after my marriage failed (within the week of telling her) she turned up on my doorstep saying she'd left him, she jus didn't want anything to be about me for once! (I know, that sounds awful but, its got to be about her). I was reeling from the end of my marriage and NOW she does it (but no, she stayed the evening and moaned about him then went home - NSDH was still sleeping in another bedroom at the time and NOT leaving!).

take care matchsticks hoping to hear good news from your meeting Xmas Smile and that you needn't have worried.

Very abusive rabbit Leclerc mine would be abusive to my cats too - if they dared to sleep on the furniture where he wanted to be or they'd taken prime spot in front of the fire. Seek counselling immediately Xmas Wink.

Its a very tough call the conflict over possible poverty and abuse (which maybe we can do something about?). It is our most base instinct to be secure in a shelter and able to eat! and to leave the security of that challenges at a very deep level, which could be the motivator (or lack of sufficient deterrent) for many staying in abuse in order to survive (eat & shelter - sometimes devastating social effects too). Just wanting to say not to underrate how difficult that is and a reason for me being in it longer than I should have. Mine wasn't a thought tho, or a plan, but a reaction only to one particular event and I marched (then wondered how I was going to manage Sad ). It challenges all the core life structures in us making this decision. I reckon top of the scale of major stressful life events (moving house, marriage, divorce, etc. all rolled it one). I sound like I'm trying to you put off! Just acknowleding it is extremely difficult, but everyone saying its worth it, even so Xmas Smile

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 17/12/2012 12:05

Fi very good point re shelter/abuse. Very thought-inducing post.

Also Grin re abusive rabbits!

Rennie12 · 17/12/2012 12:32

Someone help me please. Going through a really bad patch with H. He's so angry with me as I'm not towing the line ie woken up finally to the fact he wants to control me.
Anyway his mother is dying (only got about another week). Aaagh I've basically been ignoring his sulks etc, but what do I do now? He needs support but I feel, and I know he'd feel it was all false, under normal circumstances I'd give him a hug and chat etc.
How do I react to all this? Thanks

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 17/12/2012 12:46

Can you kind of separate things out in your mind for a short while, feel the compassion that you would feel for anyone whose mother was dying, and act accordingly? If that's too tough a call, then don't feel guilty.

Rennie12 · 17/12/2012 12:52

Yes I will do that Silvery, thank you. I do feel compassion but it will all seem false.
He'll probably reject any sympathy I give him, but I'll try.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 17/12/2012 13:05

If he feels it is false, when it isn't, that is his problem Sad

TisILeclerc · 17/12/2012 13:31

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MaggieMay05 · 17/12/2012 13:33

Welcome rennie I agree with Silver, good luck and we are all here whenever you need to chat/rant/cry etc

Fi is sad to hear about someone with similar childhood to mine, is hard isn't it. My Dmum also seems to put herself first a lot too. I recall when I was rushed to hospital once from FWs house and admitted for a few weeks (kidney probs) when in my early 20s, FW phoned to tell her and she told him she would be over in a few hours as was going to wash her hair first Shock We lived literally 5mins walk from the hospital. When she finally arrived she told me she didn't rush as it wasn't life threntening. Lovely hey! Even FW was shocked at that. FWdad didn't even bother visiting. Grrrr!!

Matchsticks thinking about you at the meeting. Hope you don't feel too drained my lovely x

Leclerc lol re rabbit and cable! Hope you get it sorted soon! Maybe FW has sent roger rabbit on a secret mission. He may even have rabbit cam installed on roger so beware!!

Silver and Trying* love the new christmasy names!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally got the tree etc up last night, have had to elevate tree onto a cupboard as DS kept trying to climb it! Its now touching the ceiling and I'm scared its going to fall on top of me when sofa sleeping!!

In other news.......DS has just got chickenpox too!! Just as DD was getting rid of them. Am going to have to put everything on hold now pretty much until new year and get these DC and myself back to full health then its all guns blazing!! Xmas Smile

MaggieMay05 · 17/12/2012 13:37

Sorry Pony I missed you in my post-big hello and Brew and Xmas Biscuit x Xmas Grin

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 17/12/2012 13:40

leclerc Xmas Grin re floppy eared fwittery! I hope all is ok re dd and you. xx

Rennie sorry to hear about such a difficult situation Sad. As Silver says, you can but offer, it's definitely the right thing to do, and if he turns it down, well at least you tried. My fw was undergoing tests recently which he sullenly refused to tell me about. I told him, "depite our situation, I am concerned for you and would like to offer support if you're worried". He finally told me (after lots of unecessary secrecy) that tests were routine, but God it was like blood from a stone. But I felt glad that I was doing the right thing by showing support anyway.

Leclerc I am glad for you that Amazon have immediate cancel!

I am holed up in my room as still off work sick (signed off till Jan). FW is home today using up annual leave. I pulled him up on something earlier (to do with treatment of kids) and he lost it, screaming and fist waving, clenched jaw, finger pointing, swearing, all from the usual menu. I felt intimidated and went out and sat in a cafe with wifi and emailed him, explaining my POV and saying I have to email it because I can't speak face to face because of the loss of control of his temper etc. Anyway had to come back to house, am now in room with table in front of door because I have to rest for a while Sad

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 17/12/2012 13:44

maggie sorry to hear about the poxy pox! Just in time for Xmas, poor you! But as you say, maybe best out of the way before you start your new year/new start plans Smile

PrincessFionne · 17/12/2012 14:01

oh Maggie you were doing feisty at the end of your post [flike]

Leclerc said flopppy-eared FW agent is lucky not to be adorning your ceiling right now as an unexpected and unusual extra to the xmas decs! Can't believe how much the replacements cost!!! (my DD [DarlingDog that is] did same whilst connected to power! how did she not die!??) - advise now to steel line dog-[rabbit]house!

oh rennie it always makes me cold when I hear 'help me'. So glad you posted. I support totally the kind advice by silverytinselly. Come get any support you need to get through this tough time.

I spose at least the worst of the effects of chicken pox is over now that the spots are visible! (ducks the xmas puds flying my way!)

[fwaving] to Pony hello.

oh gawd Trying well done for stating so clearly to him. GRRRRR.... Angry Angry Angry Angry

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/12/2012 14:11

Back from dv appointment. I don't know what I expected really. She didn't really say anything I didn't already know, but was an understanding ear I suppose. She's recommended I either go on the Freedom project or read the book.
Seeing GP in an hr to get signed off this week. We are on red alert for Ofsted coming and I think that would finis
Have realised that even though I've left my state of mind is very much linked to his, I.e distressed when he's angry, calm when he is. What I need is to find a way for him to not affect me lke that. Not sure how.

Maggie, hope the pox clears up soon.
Leclerc, hope cable arrives soon.
Trying, sorry to hear you have had that to put up with again.
Welcome to Rennie.

ponygirlchristmas · 17/12/2012 14:45

Just waving at everybody in a bit of rush , off out to get DS1 from school then it's a mad dash to get ready for his sports class then trying to get ready for going out as soon as we get home. I can't see it happening, and think I'll be going out in my joggy bottoms. Haven't even had a chance for a shower yet today.

Rennie, sorry to hear about your impossible situation, completely agree that all you can do is make yourself available, however he reacts is up to him. What a hard one.

Matchsticks, take some time to let it all sink in. YY to separating your emotions from his. Easy to say, hard to do though.

TryTwinkle and Maggie - poor both of you (for different reasons). Xmas Sad

Right, really gotta dash, time to put wrestling while he screams DS2 into the pram. See you all tomorrow, lovely ladies.

(And Leclerc - made me laugh again with the rabbit being in the doghouse...)

PrincessFionne · 17/12/2012 15:57

yes indeed Matchsticks a very nasty habit to break! It does happen tho but hard to separate out the what you feel without stressing about what he feels even tho it doesn't matter what he feels anymore, does it?

pony hope you make it out of your joggies for night out... cheers Wine [pizza]

Bertiebassett · 17/12/2012 17:14

Hi everyone...old and new...hope you're all surviving!

Sorry but once again I don't have chance to read all the recent posts...I'll try and catch up sometime soon Smile

I just wanted to share my latest mediation experience with you all.

Today FW and I met with the mediator to try and come to a financial settlement. My conclusion? FW is actually bonkers

Despite his previous claims, he cannot afford to buy out my share of the house. I can buy him out (with loan from family)...but he refuses outright. The mediator pointed out that I have made him a very good offer....he will not make anywhere near as much if we sell the house, or if I apply for a financial order through the court (these are the only two other options).

He says he doesn't care!

He is so bitter and angry at me (I assume because I don't want him anymore?) that he would rather let himself become financially insecure than let me and DS stay in the house. Who in their right mind would sacrifice their own future like this?

The thing is that I'm not particularly attached to the house...it just makes practical and financial sense for one of us to stay in it if we can. If he could buy me out I would let him...but he can't.

Mediator also pointed out to FW that he will have to pay child maintenance and give me some of his pension...he didn't seem to realise this! Bonkers...

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/12/2012 17:19

I can imagine my FW being like this when we start negotiating. sigh
Why does common sense never prevail?!

Bertiebassett · 17/12/2012 17:46

matchsticks every time something like this happens it just confirms to me that I've made the right decision to divorce the bastard him Grin

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/12/2012 17:49

I find something reminds me every day. I feel like doing a William Wallace style "Freedom!"

Bertiebassett · 17/12/2012 17:58

Hee hee!

Anyway....I now have to hope that FWs solicitor talks some sense into him. I'm going to see my solicitor to see if its worth going to court over this. It may be.

On the other hand if FW is so desperate for me NOT to have the house maybe I could have a huge chunk of the profit instead as well as his pension and maintenance ?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/12/2012 18:18

Mine seems to think that because he already had the house, that giving me 10% of the total cash that includes house and his pensions is fair, despite the fact I paid into the house for 8yrs and he would have not been able to run it without me there when the interest rates were still high.

Bertiebassett · 17/12/2012 20:31

Have you had any legal advice matchsticks?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/12/2012 20:51

Yes, my solicitor is fab. Part counsellor to be honest. She basically said leave talk of finances til the new year, but his offer is insulting and I would be entitled to far more. She says it may be a long haul, but we will get there. She rocks, quite frankly!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/12/2012 21:10

Your post last night made me cry selfish tears, pony. It seems fairly unanimous that being free of a FW is a good thing, if difficult to achieve and stressful. Seeing my counsellor on wednesday, just dragging myself through the days until then.

Hello to everyone old and new - and a special hello for Rennie, keep posting.

Loving the xmas nicknames! The cable-eating rabbit story made me laugh Leclerc, puts a spin on the whole 'dog ate my homework' line, right? Smile

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 17/12/2012 21:27

nini I was thinking that too re bunny/cable Xmas Grin Hope you're ok. We'll get there in the end lovey Xmas Smile

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