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(Now Ex) DP theatened to harm our dogs

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LulaDoesTheHula · 09/12/2012 15:06

My now ex DP and I had been struggling with our relationship for quite some months, it all came to a head recently when, after he'd had quite a bit to drink (we'd been out for the evening with family), he became verbally abusive to me (not the first time, I should add). As a family member was present, and it was rather awkward in front of him, I asked him to calm down and we'd discuss it the next day. I thought this was the end of it, and my relative went to bed. But no, my ex DP went to the kitchen, picked up a glass and smashed it in front of me (this has happened before too).

He carried on ranting at me, at which point I (in a still very calm manner) said that I was worried about his recent behaviour, and that one or two friends were too (I probably shouldn't have provoked him any more, but I think I felt I had nothing to lose anymore and I was desperate for him to realise the problem isn't in my head). I should mention he has never physically hurt me.

He went berserk at this point, walked to the kitchen and came back with a massive kitchen knife. I was sat in the corner of the sofa so had no escape, he held it in front of me and said if I didn't tell him who had said these things he would cut the dogs' throats :(

At this point I screamed and my relative came running. He managed to diffuse the situation and we left temporarily with the dogs. He has since moved out and admitted he went "a bit over the top" but seems to have no grasp of the severity of the situation or that it's not alright that he threatened me or to kill the dogs. I (rather stupidly, I know... but I am planning to) have not reported this to the police yet.

I am safe, away from the home we shared, and he doesn't know where I am. Tonight I am planning to go with a friend to collect the dogs (he had them over the weekend and has dropped them off at home for me, as I let him think I am still living there so that I could get them safely away from him tonight).

Now, the problem is, is that one of the dogs was his before we met, the other is very much mine, but they have come to be shared pets. We agreed early on when this all blew up that the dogs should stay together as mine suffers from separation anxiety when left alone, and they are very much like sisters. In his job he goes away for long periods of time and cannot have the dogs with him, nor where he is living. I am also mindful of the fact that he has threatened to hurt them to get at me, I am petrified of this happening again. I will be happier once I have the dogs in my care, but am not sure what to do re arrangements long term. I realise to him it will look like I am 'stealing' the dogs as he won't know where I am staying. I have been their main carer for the past two years and can also take both dogs with me to work every day, so to me it makes sense that I have them, for now at least.

He is already saying we need to decide where the dogs are going and with whom over Christmas and New Year :/ I am stalling for now until I have the dogs safe, saying I don't know my plans yet. His family are all in the picture and being incredibly supportive, and say that they feel the dogs would be better off with me, at least until he has admitted he has problems and has sought help.

Can anyone please give me some advice on how to handle this? Thank you! Xmas Confused

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Scarey123 · 19/12/2012 12:37

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AgathaHoHoHo · 19/12/2012 12:59

I don't agree with Jane either. He had already shown bad behaviour towards the dogs as a matter of course, even before he threatened to kill them. He should not keep animals.

LulaDoesTheHula · 19/12/2012 13:27

He has now sent a message to my friend (having told HER to stop harrassing HIM, which she hasn't as we cut all contact with him ages ago and followed police advice to the letter, ignoring messages received, logging everything, etc!).

Says he has reported dog as stolen to police and we "should expect a call". He also asked why I had left fish to die at the home we shared if I am "an animal lover". Not replying to him to put him straight, but the fish were his, I had fed them, then left them with a holiday block and informed him via his friend that I was no longer living there. End of story! Oh god... this is never ending! My friend who received the message has spoken with our local police and they have agreed that I was told to keep the dog so have done nothing wrong. If he wants to pursue it, it would be a civil matter as I have not stolen it! I would fight it though, as I do not like the way he treats animals by trying to scare and dominate them :( plus we agreed very early on that the dogs will stay together, as they are extremely close.

I have made some positive steps today too (was a nice distraction to be honest!): registered with a new doctor and have an emergency appointment today, registered for jobseekers (waiting on an appointment) and joined local library and got some helpful books re dealing with stress! Aaaaagh. Now all I need to do is win the lottery and have a very long holiday!

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Sunnywithachanceofjinglebells · 19/12/2012 13:58

Well done Lula, it sounds like you've had a very productive day! You're doing so well ignoring and logging the messages, it must be horrible.

You are doing the right thing with the dogs, hang in there.

Anniegetyourgun · 19/12/2012 14:19

I doubt very much whether he wants the dog. That's why he gave it to you in front of witnesses: so he would have an excuse to harass you over it. If there were no dogs at all in the case he'd find some other excuse. I'm fairly sure he hasn't reported them stolen, anyway, any more than he had contacted your sister. Hopefully the fish dying was also a lie, but if not, that's the sort of thing you can expect to happen to the dog too (well I had to go away for a week, it's all Lula's fault that she wasn't there to feed it).

SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh · 19/12/2012 16:45

Well done, keep going. Keep right on logging everything, not responding at all and advising your friends and family either not to respond or, if they pick up the phone to this knob by mistake, to say 'I have nothing to say to you, don't call again' and hang up.
Ignore the poster who advised you to return that poor dog to this arsebiscuit. On paper the dog is yours anyway, and if he wants to launch a court case, let him, he won't win.

Selks · 19/12/2012 19:38

I'm sure he doesn't really want the dog, he just is using it as a way of trying to harass and intimidate you. It's not working - well done you! I doubt very much that he would bother pursuing the dog as a civil matter.

It's stressful but you're doing great. Smile

ladyWordy · 19/12/2012 20:02

I agree, these are empty threats. It's just a pathetic attempt to get at you.

Imagine if a solicitor really was asked to take on the case of a man who had been arrested, but wanted to get custody of a dog provably owned by someone else. The solicitor would show him the door.

In any case I doubt your ex would be organised enough, or want to spend the money, if he likes gambling that much!

And Annie's right -if there were no pets, he would simply use some other excuse. Abusers with children use the children :(

Lula, you've had a great day today, this is the start of a new life for you. Flowers

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 20/12/2012 14:43

How are you doing today Lula?

LulaDoesTheHula · 20/12/2012 17:29

Thank you so much everyone for your continued advice, support and concern. It means so much.

Today has had its ups and downs, but I made positive steps: went to register for Jobseeker's Allowance and applied for a new bank account (have a few debts, that I have been working to pay off, but for now need to know I have enough cash to pay for food etc until I get a new job). I also got a few leads about jobs I might apply for, so that's my weekend entertainment sorted! Xmas Hmm Also did another run to my storage compartment so that's all my stuff safely stashed away, and all paid up until March so I don't need to worry.

The downs are that he is continuing to send messages to my friend (she's logged them all with the police). We suspect he got nowhere with reporting the "theft" to the police, as I've not heard from them (and they know exactly where I am if they need me!). He has now sent another message today, basically threatening that things will get very hard re legal proceedings, and he "suggests" she starts replying to her. Again, logged with police.

His mother has been trying to call me and has sent me some messages via Facebook (but I've not read them - for all she knows I don't have internet access at the moment!). I just want ONE day off from everything so I can sort my life out. I could see the first line of the most recent message, I think she was saying she could come and collect the dog.

It is pulling at my heart strings, because I know he will be going through hell and missing the dog (as I would be). I am ashamed to say that they were child replacements, and when we were happy we had some wonderful times, the four of us. It breaks my heart thinking about it. I am worrying that I am keeping the dog from him to get back at him, but deep down I also know (as people keep reminding me, and they've seen it too) that I don't like the way he treated the dog and his lifestyle is just not compatible with having a pet - the last thing I want is to let him have the dog then find he's had to re-home it somewhere else. I am all over the place with my emotions :(

I know it's early, but I am going to pour myself a glass of cold white wine, find some nice (non bloody Christmassy) music to chill out to and try to calm down.

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AgathaHoHoHo · 20/12/2012 17:52

Can you block his mother from facebook? You really don't need the additional hassle.

Can your friend ask the police to be a little more proactive with regard to him harassing her? Pay him a visit and tell him to stop it, or whatever they deem a suitable course of action.

He is basically a bully so needs someone bigger and tougher than him to stand up to him.

LulaDoesTheHula · 20/12/2012 17:56

It is hard, I was very close to his mother :( I keep looking at all the Christmas presents she gave me the last time I saw her and it makes me want to cry.

I am going to have a chat with my friend in a bit about everything as not seen her for a couple of days - she's been staying with another friend as she felt uncomfortable at home. Am also going to consult with a friend who is a police officer (he reported it all in the first place as I told him and he said he needed to report it). I feel awful for my friend, as it's her that's bearing the brunt of his persistent communication!

Yes he is a bully. I wish I'd had the strength to stand up to him sooner. But I already feel happier and relieved I am away from him. Now I can do anything I want to with my life!

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AgathaHoHoHo · 20/12/2012 18:11

That's right Lula, you can. 2013 looks like it will be better and brighter for you and your dogs.

It's such a shame that he is taking it out on your friend. I think you are right to talk to your police friend and see what can be done.

LulaDoesTheHula · 20/12/2012 19:26

Good news, the PC who took my initial statement has been in touch with my friend re all the messages she is receiving. He has now called me and says it's all going to far so he is going to phone 'knobhead' and tell him to stop and that he has placed a statement on the incident records re the harassment. Phew!

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AgathaHoHoHo · 20/12/2012 19:42

Good.

NotWankinginaWinterWonderland · 20/12/2012 19:50

That's good news.

Regarding the Mother,I know it is difficult, my almost ex MIL was lovely to me also, I still had to block her out a bit. Can you take yourself off facebook for a while?

NotWankinginaWinterWonderland · 20/12/2012 19:52

I have found as much as Me and MIL got on very well, her Ds has came first and she cannot or refuses to acknowledge actually how bad he is, sadly, the ironic thing is I lived with him longer than his parents, they had him leave at 15 and bought him a flat.

LulaDoesTheHula · 20/12/2012 23:09

The latest is that his mother has messaged me in the last hour to say she is leaving home soon (she is four hours away!) as "he is very upset" and she's worried he might do "something stupid". She wants me to meet her somewhere with the dog to try and pacify him.

I have reported it to the PC who spoke to him earlier re harassing my friend. He said that of course I will not be meeting with anyone tonight, and to tell her it will be a wasted journey, which I have done. She has not replied, so I fear she's either already left or is still trying to get hold of him. I sent her a very brief second message to say that if she is concerned for his welfare to call the police. I can't do any more can I?! Xmas Confused

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SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh · 20/12/2012 23:11

I think your friend can (and should) take out an injunction on her own behalf to stop this man from contacting her in any way. He has no right whatsoever to any kind of contact with her, she is an adult, does not owe him money, does not have any children over which he has PR. He can 'suggest' all he likes that she replies to him - he has no power to make her do so and she can ignore him to her heart's content.

NotWankinginaWinterWonderland · 20/12/2012 23:22

I do not know about England but in Scotland Texts are not enough, or 5 a4 sheets of harassment! Apparently according to my police texts can be altered 'Xmas Hmm

I doubt very much he will do anything, if I had £1 for the amount of times I have heard 'I'm gonna kill myself' I would be lots better off financially can she block his number at all?

Aussiebean · 20/12/2012 23:36

You need to stop feeling sorry for him. He is not missing his dogs. He is missing having you to control or bully. He has his mum now and she is trying to placate him any way she can. Instead of seeking help for him, she is giving into him.

He is upping the ante because you are not playing his game anymore. Stay no contact. Tell his mum that he will not get the dog do she needs to stop asking and that if she wants to help him she needs to get him to a doctor or call the police.

Stop feeling sorry for him and get angry that he would put this poor dog in a. Horrible situation, just to get at you.

Aussiebean · 20/12/2012 23:43

Not to forget or poor friend who he is now harassing. And you sister.

He is also getting his friends to help with the harassment. How dare he do that to any of you.

You are doing so well. But don't let your sympathies lie on the wrong place.

GoldenFrankincenseAndMyrrh · 21/12/2012 00:16

What a horrible, distressing situation OP. Sad

You've done everything right so far. No way would I leave an animal I loved in the care of someone who threatened to slit their throat!

He's a nasty bully and his mum sounds well intentioned but as though she's enabling his behaviour. Just keep doing what you're doing and try to stay strong. i'm full of admiration for you and you are doing the right thing! just remember that.

LulaDoesTheHula · 21/12/2012 00:27

Having advised his mother it's best not to come and to call the police if she's worried, she has now sent me this:

"I fully understand, but I also think now that you are letting others rule you. I really hope you've gone home Lula, you need someone mature to look after you. I'm not saying your immature, just that you need someone who is not taking sides, but can see that doing nothing is making it worse.

Please put yourself in his shoes and him keeping the dogs away from you and some police officer telling him who and what to do, when they don't even know him.

Something is not right here, that's why I would like to meet with you before he knows I'm in the vicinity. I think he thinks I've taken sides with you and now I'm against him, silly bugger.

I'm coming to sort him out and to see if I can persuade him to come home, I can't do it on the phone and he says he's going nowhere without the dog, I also can understand that.

So get some rest, see how you feel in morning and if you feel up to it, we can meet, if not then I'll make my way straight to to see him okay?"

What the hell do I say to that?!! I don't want to incriminate myself at all, in case anything gets used as evidence of harassment. Oh god, when will this end? Why does no one seem to be taking this seriously? Am I totally deluded and losing the plot? Rational thoughts needed please!

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Lueji · 21/12/2012 00:38

I'd simply reply to her saying that he is not your problem anymore and that you have your own mind.
And that you do not want to hear from him or about him anymore.
That she should call for professional help for him, if he is that unhinged.
You understand her concern about her son, but he is nothing to you anymore.

Does she know about the threats to the dogs?

And that any more messages or phone calls about the subject or him, from anyone, I'd consider harassment and report to the police.

But only tomorrow.
Do not let them know you are still awake and reading their messages.

Then ignore any further messages.

Having said that, and in fact, I'd probably start ignoring messages from now on.
If she sends any more then I'd ask to be left alone and further messages would be reported.