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Feeling very sorry for myself.

158 replies

TwllBach · 04/11/2012 11:43

I've been with DP for six years - we cenrated our anniversary last night.

I've always been very open about the fact that I want a marriage and a family - always and open are key words here, and right from the first week of being together. Not in a crazy way, but just being honest and talking about the things we want from life.

Three years in, DP was apparently shocked that it was what I wanted and declared that he didn't believe in marriage. I said that's fine, but it was a dealbreaker for me. DP got upset, promised we'd get married and I believed him.

I was training to be a teacher, he was working full time and money was sort of tight so I let it slide because it wasn't the best time. Last year, though, I graduated an got a job, although not teaching. At Christmas I reiterated my desire to get married and he said he knew it would have to happen to stay together.

I was sort of torn and a little hurt. The poor sod shouldn't have to marry someone if he doesn't want to, but at the same time, I feel like I have the right to be with someone who wants to marry me.

At the beginning of the year, then, we went forward on the understanding that we were getting married. I suggested buying a cheap engagement ring - I said I'd buy it or we could go halves but he insisted he wanted to buy it and it would be a 'proper' one. I started looking at place to get married cheaply - each one he turned down because they'd make him ashamed. I tried more expensive places - he doesn't like the food, the staff, the location.

I left it a couple of months, he never mentioned it again. I discussed booking a registrar and doing it with no fuss and, with his agreement, booked the date. We then cancelled because he said he wanted me to have a 'proper' wedding.

I got a teaching job and started in September. We took out a loan together, cleared my student overdraft and other various debts between us (nothing big) and we are payi back half each. He used all his 'half' of the loan to clear 'hus' debts while I used £2k todo the same, meaning technically I have £1.5k left that is 'mine.' I have jokingly asked for it, saying I want to go on a spending spree - I would never be that frivolous with money, but he fobbed me off and didn't give it to me.

As the weeks went on, it bothered me. If he had spent it - what on? He's nothing to show for it. Had he used it to clear debt that I wasn't aware of? If so, I'm very uneasy about him hiding stuff like that from me - my dad was the same and I swore never to end up like my mum.

Stupidly, I let the idea that he was using it to buy me a 'proper' ring. I don't know why - partly because I wanted it to be true and partly because its one of te only reasonable explanations for the missing/used money that I can come up with that doesn't make me upset/angry.

So our anniversary comes round and he is so lovely, he arranged to take me out to my favourite restaurant. I said we'd go halves because its something from each to each, IYSWIM? But he said no - it's his gift to me because beig with me all these years have been a gift to him. He's just been so loving and wonderful. I tried really hard not to let the ring thing creep in to my head, but it was there and I was excited.

We went to dinner and it was lovely. No ring though. I am disappointed, however unreasonable that is. I brought up the idea of getting married again this morning and he seemed resigned to it, surprised somewhat and did say it was a waste f money. He said if we strt saving £25 a week each we will be able to afford to - so I said "are we saving from scratch? There's not a lump sum left over from the loan?" And he said that there was a grand left, after being a bit evasive.

I'm not getting married am I? I've wasted six years of my life, and his. And, just as importantly, it's the money thing.

Oh I didn't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm miserable and disappointed and am feeling very, very stupid.

OP posts:
Funnylittleturkishdelight · 05/11/2012 21:15

It was amazing Twll, have you ever led a residential before? It's part of my responsibility now in school, and I have lots of tips/recommendations. Russia sounds fab- feel free to PM me and I'll send you some great links.

Chin up, music up and don't give up.

Chubfuddler · 05/11/2012 21:31

I love your cat. And I am not a cat person.

TwllBach · 05/11/2012 21:43

Funny I've not done any sort of trip yet - I'm in my second half term of my NQT year Grin are you primary or secondary?

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maybenow · 05/11/2012 21:56

You're 24 and you've never been single since you were 15????

You NEED to be single! Honestly, it sounds like your desire for marriage, family, children has blinded you to what you need in a partner to make that all work. You need to know yourself as an individual single person first before you can find the person that helps you make a good marriage.

I was single from 23 to 28 and when i met DH i knew he was right for me because i knew me. Does that make sense? I hope it does.

On the other hand, my friend who was always part of a couple and desperately wanted marriage and children married a twat and thankfully discovered his twattishness before getting pregnant but her marriage only lasted just under 2years Sad. She has now thankfully found a great man she is buying a house with but has wasted years on the twat.

GrendelsMum · 05/11/2012 22:07

Congratulations! Have a wonderful time now you're single. Make your own toffee popcorn and eat it on the sofa watching endless box sets with a friend. Try out all sorts of things. Travel the world in your school holidays. Volunteer as with a conservation organisation. Go to evening classes and learn something you've never done before. Spend a year teaching abroad. The world is your oyster...

marriedinwhite · 05/11/2012 22:57

Think not of quiet but peace. Think not of wasted time but experience gained. Think of good times to come. Go to bed with the cat - cats are grand and not as loyal as dogs but more more loyal and loving than twats.

I think you are brilliant OP.

MarjorieAntrobus · 06/11/2012 15:36

Nice post, Married.

And in continuation of that..

Think not of what you have lost, but what you have gained.

You now have the freedom to jump on a train and head off to visit your mother for the weekend, or to send her the ticket money to visit you, or you could visit anybody else, or nobody (just stay home and please yourself), and you can go anywhere you like in the holidays. Also, once you've got your NQT year done, you could work anywhere.

At 24, the world is your oyster. You have so much ahead of you.

Funnylittleturkishdelight · 06/11/2012 18:16

I'm secondary, I ran a trip in my 2nd yr and had to start planning it in NQT so totally viable!

How did today go?

TwllBach · 06/11/2012 18:25

Today was fine - I'm fine in school. I've got so little time to do anything but work Grin In a good way - I'm loving it!

He had to come back to get some more stuff today and he must have come with someone he works with. There was a note on the blackboard in the kitchen saying he was sorry and he loves me - I don't know what I am supposed to do about stuff like that. Do I text him? Do I just ignore him? I don't want to be mean, but I do want him to let me move on.

I'm going to have to tell my mum soon as well. I think she will probably be pleased, but I don't think I want to sit and listen to her tell me all the bad things about him.

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Funnylittleturkishdelight · 06/11/2012 18:30

Ignore it- don't engage. Any contact will prolong your 'recovery'

In many ways having a rant with your mum might be what you need. Put things in your diary and get busy!

What is going to happen to the house/splitting the debt?

TwllBach · 06/11/2012 18:34

The house belongs to a family member of his, so I imagine I will have to leave. He is staying with a friend atm, but that can't be forever. I know some people with spare rooms etc, but I think I might have to try and get somewhere on my own because of the animals. Luckily I'm in an area with low rental prices.

I'm not sure what will happen with the loan - it's in his name so I could just pay off what I owe. That's what I will do.

When I think about the finality of it - like all the furniture we bought together etc it just seems so sad. But then I suppose it would be a heck of a lot worse if there were babies involved.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/11/2012 19:06

Twllbach,

I remember you from before now, he was and remains a twat of the first order. This was IIRC the guy who moaned about you going to see your family and was being passive aggressive over that. You outgrew this person many moons ago.

I also think you went on to precisely model the damaging relationship lessons you learnt from your parents when you were growing up. We aftger all learn all about relationships first and foremost from our parents and just look at what they taught you. Time to unlearn all that rubbish through therapy because I fear you will keep making the same old relationship mistakes again otherwise. BACP are good and do not charge the earth.

Re possessions what is his is his and what is yours remains yours. You do not want to keep jointly bought furniture anyway.

Re the note on the blackboard, rub it off. Do not further engage.

Would second all the comments re your inherent low self esteem - that stands out a mile from here. Time to be single and enjoy life particularly as you have not been on your own since you were 15 and you need to love your own self for a change. Work on your own self and your own interests, discover what you want out of life and raise your relationship bar a lot bloody higher. Inherent low self esteem and worth makes you a magnet for low lifes like this man has turned out to be.

Would also suggest you read "Women who love too much" written by Robin Norwood.

Keep playing all the Dixie Chicks songs!.

Funnylittleturkishdelight · 06/11/2012 20:05

Does your school offer subsidised housing? That might be a good option.

Just think of the fun you can have decorating!

This is going to be the most exciting time of your life- I promise. I left my ex at 26 and my life now (at 27 and 3/4!!) is the best it could be.

You're only just starting, I promise!

DontmindifIdo · 06/11/2012 20:28

Look into a loan for £2k - pay him a lump sum of what you owe and then he can work out what he does about paying back the rest. Not your problem.

I would suggest you get a rental for 6 months and then reassess, this will be your first time as a single adult, don't make any decisions that tie you, particularly as a teacher you could go anywhere.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 06/11/2012 20:31

What ever you do about housing, try to sort it quickly because this will help you move on.
I like the idea of paying him off quickly too.

You just need to get rid of him and cut ties sooner rather than later.

ImperialBlether · 06/11/2012 22:45

I re-read your thread about the trip to London and remembered you, OP. Sorry, but I don't like your partner. I think you can do better than him.

BalloonSlayer · 07/11/2012 07:55

Sounds like you are doing great.

Yay! to the Dixie Chicks. But would recommend you stick to songs like "Let her rip," "Ready to Run," and "Sin Wagon" rather than some of the other "Mah lil ole heart sure is broke" sort of thing they do. Grin

kerala · 07/11/2012 11:54

Dont be like a couple we knew who met at University. They are still together but not married and no children. He doesnt seem that bothered. This poor woman has seen all her friends meet men, get engaged, married, babies. We are all late thirties now and they are still in limbo. I think its gone on so long she has too much to lose by forcing the issue and she feels she cant break up with him. Awful to see. You are only 24! That is bonkers end it. I dumped my long term boyfriend at 27 (as did many of my friends actually) and we are all now happily married with DC.

TwllBach · 07/11/2012 18:01

Imperial now that I am starting to tell a few people here and there, more often than not the response is the same. It appears not many of my friends liked him.

Balloon Slayer I am particularly liking Goodbye Earl or whatever it is called.

Kerala I think there is an element of misplaced pride in my staying for as long as I did. I probably knew a good two years ago that it wasn't right, but I was one of the first of my friends to move out and in with a partner, and I think a bit of me was feeling smug. Six years on and I'm not so smug because my friends who stayed at home saved up enough to buy a place (in some cases) or met the right person and could afford to get married (to someone that wanted what they wanted.)

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Funnylittleturkishdelight · 07/11/2012 18:28

Twll I think you're so brave to admit that!

Having the ability to reflect and have self awareness is impressive. I know you're going to be just fine.

B1ueberryFields · 07/11/2012 21:55

TwllBach, yeh it's amazing when you end it with somebody you discover what your friends really thought

Funnylittleturkishdelight · 08/11/2012 17:37

It's Friday tomorrow! Hope you have made lots of plans for the weekend and you're still feeling good

amazingmumof6 · 08/11/2012 17:51

I think you should leave him. he knows what you want and doesn't want the same thing. he might realizes he doesn't want to loose you and will propose. tell hi it's not a game, you'd rather be alone then with someone so selfish. if you do break up, good riddance. he's not worth your tears

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 08/11/2012 19:22

She has left him....

amazingmumof6 · 08/11/2012 19:48

oops, silly me, teaches me to just jump in without reading through! well done anyway, and good luck!