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Feeling very sorry for myself.

158 replies

TwllBach · 04/11/2012 11:43

I've been with DP for six years - we cenrated our anniversary last night.

I've always been very open about the fact that I want a marriage and a family - always and open are key words here, and right from the first week of being together. Not in a crazy way, but just being honest and talking about the things we want from life.

Three years in, DP was apparently shocked that it was what I wanted and declared that he didn't believe in marriage. I said that's fine, but it was a dealbreaker for me. DP got upset, promised we'd get married and I believed him.

I was training to be a teacher, he was working full time and money was sort of tight so I let it slide because it wasn't the best time. Last year, though, I graduated an got a job, although not teaching. At Christmas I reiterated my desire to get married and he said he knew it would have to happen to stay together.

I was sort of torn and a little hurt. The poor sod shouldn't have to marry someone if he doesn't want to, but at the same time, I feel like I have the right to be with someone who wants to marry me.

At the beginning of the year, then, we went forward on the understanding that we were getting married. I suggested buying a cheap engagement ring - I said I'd buy it or we could go halves but he insisted he wanted to buy it and it would be a 'proper' one. I started looking at place to get married cheaply - each one he turned down because they'd make him ashamed. I tried more expensive places - he doesn't like the food, the staff, the location.

I left it a couple of months, he never mentioned it again. I discussed booking a registrar and doing it with no fuss and, with his agreement, booked the date. We then cancelled because he said he wanted me to have a 'proper' wedding.

I got a teaching job and started in September. We took out a loan together, cleared my student overdraft and other various debts between us (nothing big) and we are payi back half each. He used all his 'half' of the loan to clear 'hus' debts while I used £2k todo the same, meaning technically I have £1.5k left that is 'mine.' I have jokingly asked for it, saying I want to go on a spending spree - I would never be that frivolous with money, but he fobbed me off and didn't give it to me.

As the weeks went on, it bothered me. If he had spent it - what on? He's nothing to show for it. Had he used it to clear debt that I wasn't aware of? If so, I'm very uneasy about him hiding stuff like that from me - my dad was the same and I swore never to end up like my mum.

Stupidly, I let the idea that he was using it to buy me a 'proper' ring. I don't know why - partly because I wanted it to be true and partly because its one of te only reasonable explanations for the missing/used money that I can come up with that doesn't make me upset/angry.

So our anniversary comes round and he is so lovely, he arranged to take me out to my favourite restaurant. I said we'd go halves because its something from each to each, IYSWIM? But he said no - it's his gift to me because beig with me all these years have been a gift to him. He's just been so loving and wonderful. I tried really hard not to let the ring thing creep in to my head, but it was there and I was excited.

We went to dinner and it was lovely. No ring though. I am disappointed, however unreasonable that is. I brought up the idea of getting married again this morning and he seemed resigned to it, surprised somewhat and did say it was a waste f money. He said if we strt saving £25 a week each we will be able to afford to - so I said "are we saving from scratch? There's not a lump sum left over from the loan?" And he said that there was a grand left, after being a bit evasive.

I'm not getting married am I? I've wasted six years of my life, and his. And, just as importantly, it's the money thing.

Oh I didn't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm miserable and disappointed and am feeling very, very stupid.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 19:05

OP lost a pregnancy quint Sad

NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 04/11/2012 19:06

Sorry for the loss. I missed that bit. Sad

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/11/2012 19:20

I don't follow all of the financial stuff.

But he obviously does not want to get married or have the family life you want. He should pull himself together and say that instead of stringing you along. But I think you also need to admit it to yourself and walk away before you waste any more time.

There's nothing wrong with someone not wanting to get married - it's not something you can 'fix' if you just give him enough time. But you do want to get married and there are loads of men out there who want the same, and who would love to settle down.

To be honest, if you stick with him, I bet you will be battling on for the foreseeable future: you'll end up pushing for the wedding, pushing him to do any of the organizing, pushing to buy a house, pushing for everything. If you have children (and I know this can't be easy to think about and I am so sorry for your loss, but I'm sure it's true), he won't necessarily change his behaviour, and then you will have a reluctant father to your children who has to be pushed to do every little thing.

werewolvesdidit · 04/11/2012 19:33

walk out

getagoldtoof · 04/11/2012 19:50

I remember a thread a while ago (may have been about race/skin colour) where you confessed a desperately low opinion of yourself. I think you may want to think about the root cause of your low self-esteem - you are worth more than this, and it sounds like you need help to see it.

Snazzyfeelingfestive · 04/11/2012 19:54

As has been said, you can't win now, as he has cornered you into feeling you can't bring it up again in case you are jumping the gun (Hmm it's only been 6 years, after all, you hardly know one another Hmm) and so he can sit on his backside knowing he is safe from ever having to propose.

I have said this many times on here, but to repeat: in my view, if neither partner is bothered about marriage then that's fine and dandy as their mutual choice. But if one wants to marry and the other is not keen, then the reluctant one should step up and make their partner happy, because, if it 'means nothing' to them (the usually cited reason) then why not just do it to make the person you love happy? Why not just show up at the appointed time and say 'I do', if it means no more to you but means everything to your partner? The answer, far too often, is that they are just intent on not having to make the effort and be accountable in all sorts of extra ways to their partner. Sadly OP, it seems like this is your situation.

It's not too late. Don't settle for crumbs. Tell him you are done with game playing and you deserve a partner who will be straight with you, so you and your 2K are off.

B1ueberryJam · 04/11/2012 20:17

I wish somebody had said all this to me before i had two children with a man who was concerned only with his own interests and fobbing me off.

I had a very low self-esteem too funnily enough (not that it's a funny subject). I could hardly draw a line between pleasing other people and pleasing myself. I hardly understood the difference. I gave, he took. It was perfect.

It's not selfish to march to the beat of your own drum though OP. What is that saying, don't make somebody your whole world if you're only their option.. something like that?

B1ueberryJam · 04/11/2012 20:24

@ lrdfeministdragon, yes so true. Every normal thing is a struggle with a man like that. I know, I learnt all this the hard way. I'm now pushing my x to pay some maintenance. It's like pushing water uphill.

Narrowboat · 04/11/2012 21:02

Well, it doesn't sound like he wants to marry you, and why would he? He would have to give up all that lovely Power over you.

Take some time, and instead of focussing on marriage and a wedding [it's a day], focus your attention on yourself. Get some books about low self esteem. Find a counsellor. Have some therapy. Think about it as a mental work out. If you were getting married you'd brush up your outside. Instead give your mental interior a wash and brush up.

You only have one life, you owe it to the people that love you to be best version of yourself you can. Stop thinking about him and the schroedinger proposal. Think about YOU.

Perhaps that will help you evaluate the relationship better.

plumedematante · 04/11/2012 21:37

Well, I agree with most others on here in part... but this guy is what... 24?

What 24 year old guy wants to be strong armed into marriage? OP sounds so desperate that she was telling him AGED 18 that a wedding had to be on the cards or it was a deal breaker for her. He is probably terrified and trying to put it off... wrongly, of course, but he's very young.

I'd bin it off as it's obvious to an old fucker like me that you're on a hiding to nothing.

AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 22:00

has OP said how old she is ?

CaliforniaLeaving · 04/11/2012 22:00

Time to move on Twll, if you finally did get him down the isle you know he's use it as a rod for your back every time things get a bit tough. "Well I didn't really want to get married did I"
Using you spoilt the surprise is an excuse he uses to drag out the not being married and he dangles it like a carrot to keep you interested and in line.
He's just not that into you. He may well love you but he isn't up for the full commitment thing. How many more years would you like to wait while he hums and ahs and never gets married with excuse after excuse. Just walk away with some dignity.

TwllBach · 04/11/2012 22:08

Right - so, I've done it

My head is now all over the place so I don't know if this will make sense.

Firstly, I'm 24, he's 27. I didn't say I wanted to marry him web I was 18, I just said that I wasn't in the market for messing around, I believe in marriage and the family unit and am not looking for a casual relationship. Besides, I wasn't as in to him in the beginning as he was to me - he made a concerted effort to 'win' me, telling me it was love at first sight, etc.

Not that it matters at the moment - everything most I you were saying made sense. Like, how I would be chasing him forever and how it was making me feel like even if we did get married I would feel like it was only that way because I made it happen and not because he wanted to and about the money thing.

I talked to him about it and I stayed as calm as I could but I did cry, which made him feel bad, but the upshot is, I'm alone and he is on the sofa. I've asked if he would mind leaving and he is going to stay at a friends as of tomorrow until I can sort somewhere else to live.

I need to sort myself out - I've never been on my own, I met my first boyfriend when I was 15 and then moved on to DP. Moved out of my mums house to halls then in with DP. Posters picking up on self esteem issues are right, it's something I've struggled with for a long time.

I feel a bit panicky, which is silly. It's silly, I know, but I'm a bit scared now.

At least I've got work to distract me tomorrow. I think j might sit and sob in bed otherwise Sad

OP posts:
TwllBach · 04/11/2012 22:11

... Oh fuck, I think I've just made myself single.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 22:11

you are 24 ?

you are doing the right thing

jettison the time waster and never apologise for making your intention sclear

if a potential partner isn't up for it, they should kindly tell you it isn't for them

not keep dicking you around for 6 whole years

twll, quit throwing coins in the pit....it's good money after bad, believe me

natsnuts · 04/11/2012 22:12

I am in awe of you - well done x

Funnylittleturkishdelight · 04/11/2012 22:12

use work- throw yourself into it.

Where are you OP?

You have made the single best decision of your adult life. Well done, this will get better.

AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 22:12

single and 24 ?

fucking brilliant especially without Mr HeadFucker on the scene

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/11/2012 22:13

Well done! Smile

Good luck with the rest of it now.

natsnuts · 04/11/2012 22:14

I read this quote today which said "Yes, being single really sucks. It's so hard spending all my time doing WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT!" Grin

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 04/11/2012 22:20

That's the best thing I have read this evening!!!

I Understand exactly how you feel and how scary this is but you have done the best thing for yourself, you really have!

FermezLaBouche · 04/11/2012 22:20

:( You sound like being single is the worst thing you can think of! It really isn't, I promise! You have absolutely done the right thing, please don't go back on your decision.

TwllBach · 04/11/2012 22:22

There's nothing to be in awe of - I am holed up in my bedroom looking like a snotty mess. There's a mirror in here and you know when something is so horrific you can't stop staring at it? That's me and the mirror, that is.

We could have had a five month old by now, and he was such an arse.

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AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 22:24

Don't look back

well, maybe for 24 hours

after that, pick yourself up, get on with your life

because believe me this is where it starts

no one man should ever bring you so low again

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 04/11/2012 22:26

You may be a snotty mess but you are a snotty mess who has shaken free of a complete arse!!