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Feeling very sorry for myself.

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TwllBach · 04/11/2012 11:43

I've been with DP for six years - we cenrated our anniversary last night.

I've always been very open about the fact that I want a marriage and a family - always and open are key words here, and right from the first week of being together. Not in a crazy way, but just being honest and talking about the things we want from life.

Three years in, DP was apparently shocked that it was what I wanted and declared that he didn't believe in marriage. I said that's fine, but it was a dealbreaker for me. DP got upset, promised we'd get married and I believed him.

I was training to be a teacher, he was working full time and money was sort of tight so I let it slide because it wasn't the best time. Last year, though, I graduated an got a job, although not teaching. At Christmas I reiterated my desire to get married and he said he knew it would have to happen to stay together.

I was sort of torn and a little hurt. The poor sod shouldn't have to marry someone if he doesn't want to, but at the same time, I feel like I have the right to be with someone who wants to marry me.

At the beginning of the year, then, we went forward on the understanding that we were getting married. I suggested buying a cheap engagement ring - I said I'd buy it or we could go halves but he insisted he wanted to buy it and it would be a 'proper' one. I started looking at place to get married cheaply - each one he turned down because they'd make him ashamed. I tried more expensive places - he doesn't like the food, the staff, the location.

I left it a couple of months, he never mentioned it again. I discussed booking a registrar and doing it with no fuss and, with his agreement, booked the date. We then cancelled because he said he wanted me to have a 'proper' wedding.

I got a teaching job and started in September. We took out a loan together, cleared my student overdraft and other various debts between us (nothing big) and we are payi back half each. He used all his 'half' of the loan to clear 'hus' debts while I used £2k todo the same, meaning technically I have £1.5k left that is 'mine.' I have jokingly asked for it, saying I want to go on a spending spree - I would never be that frivolous with money, but he fobbed me off and didn't give it to me.

As the weeks went on, it bothered me. If he had spent it - what on? He's nothing to show for it. Had he used it to clear debt that I wasn't aware of? If so, I'm very uneasy about him hiding stuff like that from me - my dad was the same and I swore never to end up like my mum.

Stupidly, I let the idea that he was using it to buy me a 'proper' ring. I don't know why - partly because I wanted it to be true and partly because its one of te only reasonable explanations for the missing/used money that I can come up with that doesn't make me upset/angry.

So our anniversary comes round and he is so lovely, he arranged to take me out to my favourite restaurant. I said we'd go halves because its something from each to each, IYSWIM? But he said no - it's his gift to me because beig with me all these years have been a gift to him. He's just been so loving and wonderful. I tried really hard not to let the ring thing creep in to my head, but it was there and I was excited.

We went to dinner and it was lovely. No ring though. I am disappointed, however unreasonable that is. I brought up the idea of getting married again this morning and he seemed resigned to it, surprised somewhat and did say it was a waste f money. He said if we strt saving £25 a week each we will be able to afford to - so I said "are we saving from scratch? There's not a lump sum left over from the loan?" And he said that there was a grand left, after being a bit evasive.

I'm not getting married am I? I've wasted six years of my life, and his. And, just as importantly, it's the money thing.

Oh I didn't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm miserable and disappointed and am feeling very, very stupid.

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AThingInYourLife · 04/11/2012 16:12

"He then said that I had jumped the gun and spoiled it. He said he had been thinking about doing it last Christmas until I did the same thing and then he thought he would wait."

Controlling twat.

"Now I'm definitely not going to!"

Remember that when you were a kid when people were being mean and then would use your reaction as a justification for what they were already doing?

This sexist horseshit about women "spoiling" supposed romantic proposals by asking about their own future is not to be borne by anyone with half a brain.

He is enjoying the power his prerogative to propose is giving him - it makes you weak and puts you on the back foot.

He is totally playing you here - you are paying half of a loan you didn't get close to half of, he's been cagey about the whereabouts of your money and now when you force the issue he pretends he was going to spend it on the ring he knows you're desperate for.

Wake up - he had no intention of proposing this year or last.

And if he ever does he'll play the same games about setting a date.

Then about agreeing to TTC.

A life with this man will be a life of begging and waiting.

Not a good life.

Chubfuddler · 04/11/2012 16:15

Yes he'll keep stalling and it will be your fault for doubting/questioning. In truth he has no intention of marrying you. I'm sorry but it's true.

How old are you? However old you are life is too short for this fuckwittery. In tour shoes I would say "look you have always known I wanted to get married. I want us to set a date which will be within the next 12 months". If he doesn't bite your hand off, dump him.

SirSugar · 04/11/2012 16:19

Would it really solve all your problems with this man if he produced a ring and got down on one knee? I don't think so

SirSugar · 04/11/2012 16:20

Marriage can be a secure unit, just like being incarcerated

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 04/11/2012 16:21

sorry but this is sending massive alarm bells out.

He is making up excuses as to where the money is and why he has not bought a ring yet!!

If he really wanted to do this, he would have bought the ring months ago.

I would really consider where this relationship is going if I were you!

AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 16:22

After all you have said, why do you still want to marry this Piss taker ?

Do you think any relationship is better than none ? That is how it is coming across

lucyellenmum · 04/11/2012 16:25

So, you want to get married, he doesn't?
You were worried he had spent the remaining money from the loan? he hasn't?

I don't know what to make of this really - is it just the wedding? do you live together, has he made any commitment to you at all?

My DP and I have been together for 20 years, he has never wanted to get married but has always been commited. It has never REALLY been a problem between us and now after all that time together i wouldn't bother and we rub along just fine (we do have some problems before anyone jumps in and tells me off for this as we have had problems recently). The wedding thing has never really been an issue for me. We own a house together. I certainly don't think being married would have made any difference to us whatsoever. We FEEL married and he refers to me as his wife Hmm

When i asked him why he didn't want to get married he said he was worried it would change things between us.

Are you religious? Is he? I am a catholic and would only marry in a church he is an athiest so that would be a sticking point for us anyway.

I think you both need to have a very honest conversation with each other - don't take his reluctance to marry as anything about you, he just might not want to do the whole wedding thing. Have you spoken about children - i read about the loss of your baby and i am so very sorry for your loss, is it your intention to have children together?

What i think i am trying to say is this:

you need to know WHY he doesn't want to get married - it really could be he will never want to get married, to anyone, ever - which is the case with my DP. If however it is because he isn't sure about YOUR relationship and making a permanent commitment, then i would be reconsidering if i were you.

You need to know, yourself, WHY you are so keen to get married - is it just to fit in with what society expects? (i doubt it) or is it religious, personal?

I hope you manage to work things out, but forcing him into marriage when he really doesn't want it, is never going to end well, it will always be in the back of your mind that he never really wanted it.

Bubblegum78 · 04/11/2012 16:27

First of all I disagree with chub.. you have not "allowed" anything, you are in a relationship with a man you love and when he made certain promises you believed him, there's nothing wrong with that.

However.... you have now woken up to the fact that he is stringing you along and that he is not honest with money, this loan is in your name as suggested by him... how convenient. He's not prepared to marry you but he is happy for you to bail him out financially AND he is holding onto the rest of the remaining money? No, you need to get that money off him pronto.

The problem is, that his half of the money has been spent and now you are wondering if you are in the wrong relationship so the likelyhood is that you will end up paying this loan on your own.

I think you know what's wrong and you know what the outcome will be, I think you need to take a practical approach to this: seperate from this man and make it clear he WILL be paying you the money back or you will get a solicitor. If you took the money out in your name and then transfered the money to his account from yours you will have a paper trail (all be it electronic) to prove you gave him that money and you have a solid case to try and retrieve that money should he decide not to pay you back (which he more than likely will).

I know this is hard but in actual fact you have not lost much (apart from money-this you will have to put down to a learning experience). This man is untrustworthy on most fronts and he cannot be trusted with finances, so the question begs, why on earth would you want a man like this anyway?

There are plenty of good, decent men out there, do not settle for second best, you ARE worth more than that. Start believing it. xx

B1ueberryJam · 04/11/2012 16:27

I agree wtih the others. Not only has he the sense of entitlement to spend your half of the money but he doesn't even tell you what it's been spent on. He seems to be in total control of this pot. tHAT would frustrate me. Don't you dare marry him. He is feathering his own nest and whatever spare income there was would be his. Yeah you may have wasted 6 years with him but at least it wasn't 7 or 8 or 10. Why would you suggest buying a cheap engagement ring/ are you ony worth a cheap one? (i'm not married myself btw). my x reluctantly wanted to spend less on a ring for me than one of his three motorbikes cost and that just summed it all up. sometimes you have to accept that you've wasted years and be brave and start again.

B1ueberryJam · 04/11/2012 16:29

goodpost from bubblegum. time for business. separate that from your disappointment about the relationship.

SirSugar · 04/11/2012 16:31

Bubblegum, the loans in HIS name

Silence · 04/11/2012 16:37

If you are paying half the re-payments you should ahve a say in how the money is spent
You should not have to feel grateful that he thought of buying you a ring - but then changed his mind...with your money?

That money could go in an ISA and make some interest
SO ~i would change the repayments so you are paying your fair share

Do you own your house together?

Bubblegum78 · 04/11/2012 16:58

Well, if the loans in HIS name (oops my mistake), make arrangements to pay back what you have used, then walk away. x

DontmindifIdo · 04/11/2012 17:15

Any man that tells you he was going to do what you wanted but because you asked about it you ruined it so now he won't and it's your fault it's now not happening never intended to do whatever it was. This is acutally about a proposal that is about your joint futures, this is important, and he's dangling this in front of you.

If it was me, my plan of action this week would be to take out a personal loan for £2k - give the money to him and now his £7k loan is entirely his concern, not yours, you'll pay your debts, he can pay his.

Then start looking for somewhere else to live, move out and separate your finances and lives. This man isn't ready to commit or else it would have happened by now. He might do in the future, but probably not with you. hopefully if it is with you, the realisation he will lose you if he keeps stalling will be enough to make him change his mind. I would nt move back in until I was at least engaged with a wedding booked, invitations sent and it's all rather sorted, but then again, I do think this is the wrong man for that.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 04/11/2012 17:17

totally and utterly agree Don'tmindifIdo!!!

suburbophobe · 04/11/2012 17:54

He's fobbing you off about marriage and now the money.

If he'd wanted to get married, he would've been more honest with you, not string you along. About getting an engagement ring etc. He has an excuse every time. (And you are buying into it, hoping and waiting for a ring, i.e. at the anniversary dinner). sorry to say.

He gives you crumbs - taking you to your fav. restaurant. But he doesn't give you WHAT YOU NEED.

You need to stop living in fairy land and deal with your reality. Time to start taking control of your own life.

Of course he's got a good thing going, why would he stop that?

Arithmeticulous · 04/11/2012 17:56

Oh is this Mr Misery Guts who didn't want you to see your family?

Go back and read that thread. What's different now - except that it's worse?

gettingeasier · 04/11/2012 18:08

Sorry OP if someone needs to be bargained with and cajoled into marriage then it is unquestionably the wrong thing to do

Its nigh on impossible to be able to accept this in the position you are in but maybe that you have started this thread shows you can recognise it but more importantly act on it

WhoNickedMyName · 04/11/2012 18:23

I'm sorry to be blunt but you come across as so desperate to be married that you'll put up with any old shit as long as he keeps dangling the carrot of the 'golden prize' of being married to him eventually Hmm.

This man is NEVER going to marry you. You told him marriage was a deal breaker for you THREE YEARS AGO. And you're no closer to it now than you were then, so don't kid yourself that you are.

Give him his £2k back and tell him to piss off.

B1ueberryJam · 04/11/2012 18:33

Even if he does reluctantly marry you OP, if you have children with this man, life will be hard. You will carry him, financially, emotionally, practically, all the compromises will be yours, all the sacrifices for parenthood will be yours.... and yet, he will feel he's done you a favour by having married you, while his every need is pandered to by a 'grateful wife'. I know this type.

AnyFucker · 04/11/2012 18:57

it's a really bad idea to marry someone that has to be strong-armed into it

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NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 04/11/2012 19:04

If he does propose, or produce a ring, it is not going to be the happy occasion you envisage, seeing as you are pretty much forcing him into doing something he really does not want.

How does that make you feel? Are you not worried he finds you more and more like a nagging child?

I just hate it when my kids keep begging and begging for sweets, or toys, or trips to the cinema. It just leave me feeling utterly knackered, whether I give in or not.

NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 04/11/2012 19:04

What happened, you mention your pregnancy, are you pregnant now? Or do you have children together?

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