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Hollow laugh from the OW

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Dandythelion · 21/10/2012 21:22

I was the OW. As well as sweeping me off my naive feet into a 50 shades type sexual thrall, he convinced me that the marriage was dead, he'd hated her for years, he only stayed because he felt sorry she was going bald (!), they only had pity sex, she was horribly unstable and always threatening suicide, was a total hypochondriac, terrible mother, educationally bereft, emotionally subnormal and socially inept.

He made me feel absolutely beautiful and special and I couldn't do without it, nobody can make you feel better than an emotionally abusive man, it's almost an art form. They get inside your head and worm out your deepest dreams and promise to make them all come true. Then he makes them almost come true, but just dangles perfection out of reach.

You'll go mad trying to get there and you won't have the sense you were born with, the madness takes you over and morality won't enter it because you want to believe the fantasy more than you will listen to friends, family, conscience.

For all the wives who've been left by this type, sleep a little better knowing that less than two years on, the beautiful clever perfect wam they left you for discovers he's pulling the same stunt on new woman, and suddenly it's easy to see why the mental health issues arose.

Don't waste time begging him to come back, he has a cock where a heart should be and doesn't say a word that hasn't been carefully chosen to get exactly what he wants.

Thought it might give a wry smile tp those who have been there.

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Bogeyface · 21/10/2012 23:43

I hope the other posters get fed up with vilifying you soon.

Do you? I hope that people who defend someone who tried to take something that wasnt theirs to take, never find out how it feels to be cheated on.

FFS, why should I care how she feels? Why should I give a toss how he hurt her? I am glad whenever I hear of an OW getting a taste of what she was complicit in the wife getting.

She shagged another womans husband, and the emotional abuse/grooming excuses are just that, excuses. She could have said no and didnt. Now I dont know whether this thread is a pathetic attempt at self justification so she can say that she did the right thing by owning up etc. But whatever her reason, I still dont see what has been achieved by this. If a man is cheating, knowing that the OW was "entranced" is no comfort to the wife is it? Nor is it any warning to a woman who is vulnerable because, as we all know, this time will be "different".

I do not hold that single women owe nothing to the wife. What about sisterhood? What about morality?

I am so gobsmacked that anyone can defend this!

AutumnGlory · 21/10/2012 23:43

When my eX left for OW, what made me get through life was to imagine and hope SHE would do to him exaclty the same he things he did to me and SHE would make him suffer and live in heLl. If all OW are like you OP it is very disappointing to see that they are all weak and dumb and the twant wins again.

RyleDup · 21/10/2012 23:45

I guess he was beautiful to you op. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. But i'm glad you are going to respect yourself in the future.

akaemmafrost · 21/10/2012 23:52

I certainly am not defending it. I was cheated on repeatedly over 10 years of marriage, I know how it feels but I am interested to hear from a former OW. I don't think anyone is defending it are they? Just expressing their own opinions to the OP.

JamesAndTheGiantBanana · 21/10/2012 23:55

It's just so easy to get swept away, we all want to fall in love, when you feel it happening and they say all the right things, I can understand how you become the ow (though I've never been one myself) we're only human. Sounds like he found you vulnerable and left you a mess, just like the women before you and the one after you, most likely. I dated someone like this once, they hold the power to make you feel utterly incredible, or to completely break your heart. Which they inevitably do.

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 21/10/2012 23:58

If i had been cheated upon, the thing that might make me feel better is if my husband got shafted and the same treatment meted out to him.

To read this self-pitying story of how yet another woman believed the bullshit and couldn't help herself would give me no comfort at all.

If you were trying to help betrayed women, OP, this thread is an epic fail. What were you trying to do again >..?

tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 21/10/2012 23:58

What about sisterhood?

Well quite.

But doesn't 'sisterhood' extend to feeling sorry for a woman who has been abused by a man, even if that man is married and the woman is not his wife?

If a man is cheating, knowing that the OW was "entranced" is no comfort to the wife is it?

Sure it isn't. Much more comfortable to think that the good man was seduced by a scheming Lady Macbeth. Because that doesn't involve facing up to having gone and chosen some complete loser as a partner/husband.

The married party is the more guilty one, sorry.

Not singling you out Bogey. Yours was just the latest post on this theme. If you've been cheated on yourself you have my huge sympathy.

Looksgoodingravy · 22/10/2012 00:01

Completely agree with Bogey!

Ow are being painted as these vulnerable, pathetic creatures who are used and then spat out by these monstrous husbands! the reality is that most are equally manipulative but when they don't get what they want they turn into the woman scorned.

Sorry op, you should have read the statistics before getting involved with a married man, 70% of the relationships with the ow FAIL!

Bogeyface · 22/10/2012 00:06

My issue isnt whether she was or wasnt "entranced" but that she thought that posting on here, where so many of us have been cheated on would be somehow helpful. It isnt. I accept that not all OW are scheming husband stealers, but they are not innocent victims either. They are in possession of the facts, they know that the man is married, they know what they are getting into and choose to share him with his wife. The wives dont, they dont have the luxury of making a choice about whether they want to be in an open marriage or not. There is an imbalance of power, the OW is in a better position if only because, as I said, she atleast knows that he is a lying cheating bastard.

We know that our husbands arent the men we thought they were. We know what they are capable of. We dont need to be told by the OW thank you! Being expected to play nice with the OW because she has been hurt too is a step to far for many of us. I dont care if he hurt her, I really dont. Its the risk you take when you have a relationship with a proven cheat and liar.

Looksgoodingravy · 22/10/2012 00:10

Couldn't agree more Bogey!

I would never shed an ounce of sympathy for the ow, you play with fire....

Dandythelion · 22/10/2012 00:12

KP, yes it was recommended a while ago, thankyou. Excellent book I agree.

Autumn, was weak and dumb certainly. Not any more.

Bogey, you are clearly still hurting. I hope that you can find peace and objectivity one day. Bitterness and anger are hard emotions to manage. I wish you well.

James, exactly.

Happy, I regret my intentions remain so stubbornly opaque to you. I am not remotely self-pitying. I have worked hard to learn about why things happened and to take responsibility for my part in them. In fact, at the risk of provoking more undignified name-calling, I would venture to say that I'm proud of how much I have changed. Perhaps that might work for you as a reason to share my experience.

Thank you to all who have responded.

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Bogeyface · 22/10/2012 00:13

But doesn't 'sisterhood' extend to feeling sorry for a woman who has been abused by a man, even if that man is married and the woman is not his wife?

No because she wouldnt have been "abused" if she hadnt had the affair. If she had been genuinely unaware that he was married and thought that she was with a single man then I would have every sympathy, I really would. But she knew that he was married and did it anyway. If you check out of the sisterhood, if you shit all over another woman, or help someone else to do that then you cant expect its support when things go wrong.

EnjoyVampirebloodResponsibly · 22/10/2012 00:14

I find it interesting that an OW only becomes "cynical" after she's been ashatted upon. Prior to that she's "vulnerable" to the onslaught of these dastardly, scheming, cock-wielding, silver tongued married men.

Honestly I don't get it, so many things about a person are utterly off-putting when you first meet and start dating someone. Why isn't "I'm married to a nutter (his words)" one of them?

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 22/10/2012 00:14

I have all my dignity intact, cheers.

AutumnGlory · 22/10/2012 00:15

I was shagging a MM once. He took me to beautiful restaurants / hotels (he was in my city for work purposes so hotels weren't red flags), he gave me presents and made me feel special. Eventually he 'mentioned' he was married, had a 6 months old baby and his eldest daughter was nearly my age. I ended immediately. I was 17 years old. I had the most low self esteem, insecurities and emotional/love hunger a 17 year old can have. I grew up in a chaotic family with alcoholic divorced parents and no one ever gave a shit about me. I stayed with very shitty boyfriends before him but I DECIDED at the age of 17 to leave a successful man who treated me like no one ever did before because he confessed he was MARRIED. Get that OP?? I didn't even want to hear anything he had to say about his W.

Bogeyface · 22/10/2012 00:15

Bogey, you are clearly still hurting. I hope that you can find peace and objectivity one day. Bitterness and anger are hard emotions to manage. I wish you well.

Don't patronize me!

I am not hurting, I am angry but thats because you feel that this thread is in anyway constructive and helpful to anyone but yourself. I wonder if this is another example of the selfishness that led you into the affair in the first place.

LineRunner · 22/10/2012 00:16

My ExH walked out on me and out young DCs ten years ago for OW.

I will never really recover from that, I know that deep down. I don't really care what happened to her. I just see my kids not having the life that was planned for them.

That's my reality.

EnjoyVampirebloodResponsibly · 22/10/2012 00:17

And OP that comment to Bogeyface dropped you to "lower than a snakes bollocks" on my League Table Of Shit.

EnjoyVampirebloodResponsibly · 22/10/2012 00:19

Autumn high five your 17 yo self!

Bogeyface · 22/10/2012 00:20

You know what? The more i read the more sickening it is!

I am glad you are proud of how you have changed OP, but changing does not take away what you did. No matter how you dress it up as trying provide perspective, or sharing your experiences, it is still all just excuses to try and justify yourself and your behaviour.

Oh and for the record "I just couldnt say no/ I couldnt help myself/ I was swept away" are all in the cheaters script, that the bullshit they tell themselves to justify their actions too. You are not that different from him.

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 22/10/2012 00:21

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HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 22/10/2012 00:24

Oh dear, OP

I rather wonder if you have over-egged the pudding

LineRunner · 22/10/2012 00:32

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GhostShip · 22/10/2012 00:33

Oh how easy it is to shift blame and paint the OW as this poor creature taken advantage of. Pull the other one.

I've no sympathy. At all. I couldn't shag another women's partner. How dare you.

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