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Hollow laugh from the OW

581 replies

Dandythelion · 21/10/2012 21:22

I was the OW. As well as sweeping me off my naive feet into a 50 shades type sexual thrall, he convinced me that the marriage was dead, he'd hated her for years, he only stayed because he felt sorry she was going bald (!), they only had pity sex, she was horribly unstable and always threatening suicide, was a total hypochondriac, terrible mother, educationally bereft, emotionally subnormal and socially inept.

He made me feel absolutely beautiful and special and I couldn't do without it, nobody can make you feel better than an emotionally abusive man, it's almost an art form. They get inside your head and worm out your deepest dreams and promise to make them all come true. Then he makes them almost come true, but just dangles perfection out of reach.

You'll go mad trying to get there and you won't have the sense you were born with, the madness takes you over and morality won't enter it because you want to believe the fantasy more than you will listen to friends, family, conscience.

For all the wives who've been left by this type, sleep a little better knowing that less than two years on, the beautiful clever perfect wam they left you for discovers he's pulling the same stunt on new woman, and suddenly it's easy to see why the mental health issues arose.

Don't waste time begging him to come back, he has a cock where a heart should be and doesn't say a word that hasn't been carefully chosen to get exactly what he wants.

Thought it might give a wry smile tp those who have been there.

OP posts:
HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 23/10/2012 14:18

lucy you were not the "OW" in your example

you were a sexually-groomed and sexually-abused child and he was an adult breaking the law

I am sorry that happened to you, really, really sorry

but you were not the "OW"

Charbon · 23/10/2012 14:27

I'm so sorry for what happened to you lucy. You were the victim of a paedophile and you were a child. You were not responsible for what happened to you and I hope you will consider talking to someone in RL about this.

I think you need to be very careful about the language you use Posy. Describing hurt women's feelings as a 'fools game' is extraordinarily insensitive. You can display empathy and humanity for the OP, without losing it for women who are also hurting.

This isn't about responsibility to a stranger's marriage at all, or about an OW's views on monogamy. It is about treating fellow human beings with decency and integrity and not wanting to be part of a deception and web of lies. I don't think I've got any responsibility for someone else's marriage, but I've got a responsibility to myself not to collude in lies to and deception of others. That would be something I'd have enormous difficulty bargaining away in myself.

You personally might not have that moral compass, have no expectations of others and hypothesise that therefore you would feel no anger and apportion no blame if one of those strangers took part in an activity that hurt you and your children.

But you perhaps need to acknowledge that other people have greater expectations of their fellow citizens, very different moral compasses and that any hypothesis about how you will act in a situation that hasn't happened in your own relationship is just that - a hypothesis.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 14:28

Clearly I do know how I would react

No you dont. You know how you would like to think you would react, but until you are faced with losing your home, your marriage and telling your children that daddy is leaving, you dont actually know.

No bogey just because you liked a married man once doesn't put you in a OW shoes. No, because I didnt do anything about it I backed off and never saw him again, because that is the right thing to do!

MadAboutHotChoc · 23/10/2012 14:35

PP - I have always said that should my DH cheat that would be the end of the marriage. How wrong was I - you just don't know what you would do until you have actually been in this situation.

I am shocked at your lack of compassion for betrayed wives (and husbands) especially given how your poor mother is suffering Sad

My OW was a friend, someone who I knew for over 20 years, someone who has attended our wedding and watched our DC grow up - while I blame DH for breaking his vows, I view OW as a nasty sad cow. If this makes me bitter, so be it.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 14:35

Seriously Bogey I do.

I would be furious, I know I wouldn't lose my home as I've made appropriate plans, seeing my children distressed is heart wrenching but I still know what I would do. My husband is not my life, he's really not. Watching my mother's decline has only strengthened this resolve. Also because of my abuse at the hands of both of my parents, and now having no relationship with my father I encourage my husband to have an entirely separate relationship with our children. He has a relationship with them that has zero to do with me and spends a lot of time on his own with them. This is so if we were to split he would still be the same Dad.

I'm pretty shrewd and have made a lot of decisions based upon the fact that we may/could, like everyone, divorce.

This would not have been the case three years ago.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 14:37

OW had a relationship with you Mad, so that's very different.

And I not without compassion for the women left behind, just am not going to agree with all OWs being vilified.

I am not the forgiving or forgetting kind. Not a millisecond would go by without me bringing it up, so there would be no point. My husband does not feel the same, I think he'd stay.

Charbon · 23/10/2012 14:41

I've got an acquaintance who is adamant that if her husband had an affair she would kick him out. I think she probably would too, but not for the reasons you'd think. She doesn't want to take responsibility for ending what is a very unsatisfactory marriage and is hoping that he will strike first so that publicly she'll have a good reason for getting out. I always bear that in mind when I read about hypotheses. There are often lots of reasons for them.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 14:43

My husband is not my life

Why is this still not held up as crucial to women's well-being? Of the many wise things I've learned in recovery, one of the most powerful is "You will never make a man the centre of your world again". This is freedom; this is independence; this is loving by choice.

Kudos, Posie.

mathanxiety · 23/10/2012 14:43

Two wrongs don't make a right is for two little kids hitting eachother, not when one person is abused by another and finds comfort elsewhere giving him strength to leave a marriage.

Baloney PP.
Right is right and wrong is wrong.

It is not an age dependent proposition.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 14:45

[tips hat] Thanks Garlic, this was a long time coming.

Math. I can't even remember what that referred to Blush

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 14:46

No bogey just because you liked a married man once doesn't put you in a OW shoes. No, because I didnt do anything about it I backed off and never saw him again, because that is the right thing to do!

What if you had already slept with him before you knew he was married? What if he didn't tell you he was married and you believed he was single and loved you. What if you had a 6 month relationship and then found out he was married, you would still be the OW. I hope none of the above happens to you bogey, but until it does/something simliar you can't base your arguement on hypothetically what you would do.

Charbon · 23/10/2012 14:49

My partner isn't my life, but I can acknowledge that I would be hurt beyond measure if he left my life. I wouldn't just be furious, I'd be bereft. It is possible to love deeply and not make that person the reason for your whole existence.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 14:50

I think teaching our dds a man is not your life would be an excellent lesson!

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 14:53

SolidGoldBrass would be delighted to hear it!! (is she still around?)

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 14:55

Inneed I have no issue with women who dont know they are the OW, I really dont. I worked with someone this happened to and the first she knew about him being married was his pregnant wife coming to the office threatening to put her teeth down her throat. She almost lost her job over it :( She had had no idea, he was single with no kids as far as she knew, not married with 2 and a third on the way! I dont judge her as the OW because she wasnt intentionally doing the dirty on anyone, and she didnt see him again. If she had continued seeing him (as he wanted to when the dust had settled) then yes, I would have had issues with that.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 14:59

Bogey thats what I have been trying to say all along it's not a black and white issue!

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 15:04

I disagree about it not being black and white.

If she thinks that she is seeing someone who is single then there is no blame to be attached to the OW. But if, as in mine and most cases on MN, she does know that he is married then yes, she does take some of the blame.

I dont see how there can be a grey area? either you know or you dont, and if you find out later that he is married and dont finish the relationship then you are as bad as if you knew all along. I dont accept "but I luv 'im!!!" as an excuse to not do the right thing.

OneMoreChap · 23/10/2012 15:08

Inneedofbrandy
I think teaching our dds a man is not your life would be an excellent lesson!

I'd also like to ensure that young men recognise what an awesome responsibility it is for them having kids - and making really, really sure that they don't have any before they are ready to take a full share of their upbringing - and that includes a full share in their feeding, cleaning, entertaining, being off work when they are sick. Might concentrate a few of their minds a bit more.

I'd like all of them to know that you don't have to be "in a relationship" to have a good time with the opposite/same sex and to look for people they enjoy more than just dtd with.

mathanxiety · 23/10/2012 15:30

Bogeyface I agree there -- no grey areas. Either it is right or it is wrong and that rubric applies in every situation.

If someone is unhappy in their relationship, they have honest choices:
(1) Try to deal with it through counselling, improving communication, etc.
(2) Divorce.

Having an affair is always the dishonest choice.

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 15:32

right, if you go in a public toilet, and shit all over the seat, then leave. Can you say... it's not my toilet, not my problem, if it's covered in shit for you to use, tough!
it's the same thing! You don't because you consider it a revolting and low down thing to do. You don't because you think about the poor cow coming bursting in needing a piss and not being able to have one/sitting on a shitty toilet!
OK it's a pretty stupid analogy, but it's what you are prepared to do for someone you don't know and doesn't affect your life.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 15:36

Agreed, OMC. (What's wrong, I keep agreeing with you?!)

The PSE curriculum should include MN Relationships modules Grin

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 15:39

I agree OMC!

Bogey you described a grey situation then said it was black and white. Confused

JoJobel · 23/10/2012 15:39

You know what BloodRed, I've just read this whole sad thread and thats the best damn thing thats been said .....its not a stupid analogy..it sums it up perfectly.

digerd · 23/10/2012 16:15

I would put money on my (late) DHs not falling for a honey trap. He was a 37 and a virgin when I met him. Sweet as sugar candy, altruistic, heart of gold, not an aggressive bone in his body but shy with women - he did have a domineering mother and 6 bossy sisters which could have had something to do with it. I actually thought he was odd, at first, that he never looked at another women or young girl as if they did not exist. He would have felt very uncomfortable if a strange woman came onto him, and got away as quick as he could. Oh, and he was drop dead gorgeous, but wasn't aware of it. SIGH.

LineRunner · 23/10/2012 16:28

OMC, I do think teaching boys how to be men would good! The affair and the leaving was bad, but it's the way ExH has just turned his back on the DCs so much that is the killer.

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