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Hollow laugh from the OW

581 replies

Dandythelion · 21/10/2012 21:22

I was the OW. As well as sweeping me off my naive feet into a 50 shades type sexual thrall, he convinced me that the marriage was dead, he'd hated her for years, he only stayed because he felt sorry she was going bald (!), they only had pity sex, she was horribly unstable and always threatening suicide, was a total hypochondriac, terrible mother, educationally bereft, emotionally subnormal and socially inept.

He made me feel absolutely beautiful and special and I couldn't do without it, nobody can make you feel better than an emotionally abusive man, it's almost an art form. They get inside your head and worm out your deepest dreams and promise to make them all come true. Then he makes them almost come true, but just dangles perfection out of reach.

You'll go mad trying to get there and you won't have the sense you were born with, the madness takes you over and morality won't enter it because you want to believe the fantasy more than you will listen to friends, family, conscience.

For all the wives who've been left by this type, sleep a little better knowing that less than two years on, the beautiful clever perfect wam they left you for discovers he's pulling the same stunt on new woman, and suddenly it's easy to see why the mental health issues arose.

Don't waste time begging him to come back, he has a cock where a heart should be and doesn't say a word that hasn't been carefully chosen to get exactly what he wants.

Thought it might give a wry smile tp those who have been there.

OP posts:
PosieParker · 23/10/2012 11:27

ledkr, I think you have retained much dignity, this will not go unnoticed to both your EX and OW but also throughout the rest of your life. I bet your children will be immensely proud of you. x

Queenmarigold · 23/10/2012 12:03

Takes 2 to tango tho.

You shouldn't have done it. Grow a backbone and stop being self indulgent. Mature adults don't destroy familiies and homes like this.

Sorry but it's true. Glad you have learnt your lesson.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 12:35

Bogey - Am I right in thinking that you have never been abused, cheated on or cheated?

I score three out of three. I agree with Posie, Ineed and the other voices of reason here. Rigid thinking is unhelpful in life, generally, and bitterness is ugly. I'm sorry your experience led you to such harshness, and can assure you a closed mind is not the inevitable outcome of betrayal.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 12:49

Just out of interest - what do you all think about 'honeytraps'? You know, the detective agencies that will send a woman to chat up your prospective partner and see if he bites (thus, is likely to be unfaithful)?

Do you assume every man would fall for the temptation?

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 12:52

your prospective partner - obv shouldn't have said 'prospective'. I was thinking prospective husband, as some women use them to test their fiancés before signing.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 12:52

I know a fair few men that definitely wouldn't fall for a 'honeytrap' and I'm pretty sure my husband wouldn't, but I wouldn't put money on it.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 13:20

I think I know some men that wouldn't, Posie, and am sure I know some who would! I'm curious as to whether OW-blamers take it for granted that all men will cheat given the opportunity.

Personally, I don't believe this however hard the opportunity is thrown at them. Maybe I should be ashamed to confess that, if I had a lot to lose, I probably would hire a honeytrap before making any commitments! It's not a guarantee but it'd help weed out the no-hopers.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 13:22

YY rigid thinking is the word I was trying to think of garlic. Life aint black and white and it gets messy. I also don't like the condoning of woman who have done something wrong once and now and forever are some Aclass bitch.

No bogey just because you liked a married man once doesn't put you in a OW shoes.

Charbon · 23/10/2012 13:25

I don't think the opinions and rationale expressed by bogeyface are either unreasonable or indicative of a 'closed mind'. As an analytical person persuaded mostly by logic, her stance is in my view, utterly rational.

I read from what she and others are saying that blame is not an exclusive entity and that like every other life situation where there is joint enterprise and collusion, all parties involved in that enterprise share the responsibility for what happens and its effect on others. This is a standard that no-one appears to have any difficulty with in law (criminal or civil) and it puzzles me why for some people, this doesn't transfer to human relationships.

It is completely rational to blame both parties involved in a joint enterprise, but proportionality is important and has been acknowledged repeatedly by posters who blame their partners more for the deception. However even taking all of the emotions out of the equation, it would be illogical not to apportion any blame at all to their partners' accomplices.

It's also entirely logical to feel anger with both people involved in that joint enterprise and I feel very uncomfortable with any posts that infer that this is unreasonable or illogical when it is neither.

Abitwobblynow · 23/10/2012 13:26

Woozley: I went out with a married man when I was very young

It that some sort of euphemism? Did you have long cosy lunches? Meet up in hotel rooms and fuck? Go to his flat and fuck? Be told you are the love of his life but he can't leave her? Mutually ignore the elephant in the room?

What?

what does 'going out with a married man' mean?

lucyellenmum · 23/10/2012 13:32

I was 14 when i "went out" with a married man, 12 when he first had his hands in my panties, but 14 before he did anything else. Of course i was "head over heels in love with him" He didn't say anything about his wife, or his children, he would pick me up in his car, drive me somewhere quiet, fuck me, then drop me off near my house. That went on until i was 18, i thought i loved him. In many of your eyes, im the worse kind of slut :( He was 27 when he first touched me. Ive never told ANYONE this before, but sometimes, it is true the the OW (if thats what i even was!) is genuinely vulnerable and niave.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 13:33

Well, I should think it means dating, Wobbly. Why would she choose more emotive language because of his commitments? Would you be asking for these changes in terminology if she'd said she went out with a fireman, or a teacher?

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 13:34

Shock Oh, Lucy, how awful :( I'm so sorry you haven't felt able to tell anyone about this paedophile.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 13:36

Charbon, I think it's entirely irrational to expect anyone to place importance upon my marriage. Perhaps the OW doesn't believe in monogamy? I think it's a fools game to imagine that anyone, other than my DH, has any responsibility to my marriage. I also think it's a quick route to an unhappy life without healing to blame the OW at all, it simply serves no purpose for the injured party.

How does this help?
Why did she do this to me? How can she do this to me? Why doesn't she care about breaking up our home? she just doesn't

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 13:36

Lucy Sad what a cunt!

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 13:37

lem. It's not too late to tell someone, if you feel you can.

Big hugs. xxxx

Abitwobblynow · 23/10/2012 13:38

Because a married man is different Garlic. Don't come over all relativistic here.
A married man has to do a certain amount of lying and juggling and arranging
Which she is giving a sweet little teenage description for. I am not too sure why you are protecting her denial and minimising.

Abitwobblynow · 23/10/2012 13:41

Lucy, that is awful. I am so sorry that happened to you, and that is NOT 'going out'.

How are you now? How have you processed it all? Because that is what we started off with: how OW processed her mistreatment, and empathised with a mistreated wife. And, that the issue was with him.

lucyellenmum · 23/10/2012 13:50

Abitwobbly, i don't want to hijack the thread. Im ok with it, it doesn't bother me. It was over 20 years ago now and part of my past, i suppose it is part of what made me who i am today, as all of our past does. He was/IS a cunt, but i don't see him as a peadophile, i was "up for it" and felt terribly grown up. It all started with a crush on him and lots of flirting on my part, i was definately the persuer, as it were. Im not proud of it.

lucyellenmum · 23/10/2012 13:52

Posie - with regards to a honeytrap, thats an interesting question isn't it. I would have put money, my LIFE even on my DP not falling for that, ever. But you know, things are really shit between us just now, hes a good man but we have money worries and we all know what that does, im a 24 carat bitch to him, so now, im not so sure, even if it were for the comfort.

garlicbaguette · 23/10/2012 13:52

FGS, Wobbly, I dated married men in my yoof - and probably later on, too, only when older I dumped anyone whose private life seemed rather too private. In my teens and early twenties, it just did not occur to me that a boyfriend might be married. I didn't fit your colourful vocabulary, either, I'm afraid, as I was a cast-iron virgin until I went to uni at 22. While there I had an affair with a lecturer. We had a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, it wasn't desperate fucking in dark corners, and I was too inexperienced to grasp the significance of his married status (or lecturer status, for that matter - he was my tutor). I ended it when I saw his wife at a social and recognised her anxious air for what it was: I was what she was looking for, and afraid of finding :( The twat left her for another student after me.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 13:59

Lucy I am really pleased that you can put that into a box and forget about it, but I am a bit concerned when you consider you were 'up for it'. You weren't old enough to be 'up for it'. He was an adult who took advantage of you. But you're right is was/is a cunt.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 14:00

LEM don't give yourself a hard time, feel free to PM me anytime. x

Woozley · 23/10/2012 14:00

what does 'going out with a married man' mean?

I'm not going to go into the details of the relationship, but I was 17, totally in love and it was my first relationship. Soon after I went away to university at 19 I stopped it. I'm not excusing myself, not do I think it was right or try to excuse it, but I did think it was right at the time. In fact I thought it was the most marvellous thing ever. My morals at the time were something along the lines of "All's fair in love and war". At 37 now, my moral framework is rather more developed.

KennethParcell · 23/10/2012 14:01

Yeah I did it once too. I wasn't a slapper or a whore either. I wasn't selfish or a bitch. I was lonely with a low self-esteem. I suppose I'd been looking for a boyfriend for years, and then one materialised and the only fly in the ointment was he was married. I can obviously see now it was bad for me, served only to lower my fragile sense of self-worth even more, I should have held out longer for a man 'of my own'. All of that. But I was 27 and I was literally starved of love. Sounds dramatic I know but that's how I felt. And I think of me back then,the fragile mess that I was! and I read now the hatred on mumsnet for OW! As though the OW was not human. As though the wife were powerless.