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Hollow laugh from the OW

581 replies

Dandythelion · 21/10/2012 21:22

I was the OW. As well as sweeping me off my naive feet into a 50 shades type sexual thrall, he convinced me that the marriage was dead, he'd hated her for years, he only stayed because he felt sorry she was going bald (!), they only had pity sex, she was horribly unstable and always threatening suicide, was a total hypochondriac, terrible mother, educationally bereft, emotionally subnormal and socially inept.

He made me feel absolutely beautiful and special and I couldn't do without it, nobody can make you feel better than an emotionally abusive man, it's almost an art form. They get inside your head and worm out your deepest dreams and promise to make them all come true. Then he makes them almost come true, but just dangles perfection out of reach.

You'll go mad trying to get there and you won't have the sense you were born with, the madness takes you over and morality won't enter it because you want to believe the fantasy more than you will listen to friends, family, conscience.

For all the wives who've been left by this type, sleep a little better knowing that less than two years on, the beautiful clever perfect wam they left you for discovers he's pulling the same stunt on new woman, and suddenly it's easy to see why the mental health issues arose.

Don't waste time begging him to come back, he has a cock where a heart should be and doesn't say a word that hasn't been carefully chosen to get exactly what he wants.

Thought it might give a wry smile tp those who have been there.

OP posts:
Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:57

Well I have, and I wasnt.

OMC is just using it to excuse his behaviour. To quote my old school teacher, 2 wrongs dont make a right.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:02

Bogey. You are incredibly naive.

Two wrongs don't make a right is for two little kids hitting eachother, not when one person is abused by another and finds comfort elsewhere giving him strength to leave a marriage. "Excuse his behaviour" he said it was the reason, he wasn't asking to be excused, he admitted fault. Although I don't blame him.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:03

Every person does have their own moral code, regardless of what it is.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 10:03

But what do you base your moral code on! I'm not religious I don't know the bible but yet so many morals are biblical. That is a whole tee thread though.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 10:05

Naive is something I could never be accused of!

Am I right in thinking that you have never been abused, cheated on or cheated?

Until you have, you cant possible say how you would react, you just cant.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:05

Inneed. Smile

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:09

Bogey. No, you're not right. How could possibly assume that with a few posts on one thread?

I've never been involved in any sort of cheating, but noone has the power over me to cripple me, to make me feel worthless, stop my life. If my husband runs off with someone else then he loses and the children lose big time, that would be his burden for the rest of his life...not the OWs. They may end up, as might I, happier than ever. People make choices, people change their minds, people move on. It's shit, but it's life. Same as I feel about my father, who I never speak to, perhaps he was miserable his whole marriage and now he has a chance at happiness, how could anyone not want that for anyone?

Emotion does not make your right.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:09

you right.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 10:10
GhostShip · 23/10/2012 10:11

I'm glad I can smugly say I've not cheated or been the other women. It's happened to me, I couldn't do it to another woman

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 10:13

what do you base you moral code on? I am officially giving up now, it's got fuck all to do with the bible?!! it's what you can or cannot live with yourself doing to someone else?! you not what someone else says you should or shouldn't do in a book.
Since you are completely unfamiliar with even the concept of having morals i will go and make a brew, oh and send my oh a sexy text and fuck his brains out when he gets in, just in case!!

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 10:14

Brew for me :)

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 10:16

No it doesnt, but unless you have been the cheated on wife you cant say how you would feel or how you would react.

You know how it is when someone does something totally unexpected? I dunno.....road rage say. They get out of their car and start screaming at you and abusing you. You are in shock, you are frightened, you dont know what to do, so you follow your instincts and leg it. Then you tell someone what happened and they say "Well I would have given them a right mouthful, blocked their car in and called the police" and you are thinking "But you werent there! You dont know what it was like!". Well thats what finding out about an affair is like.

You are frightened, shocked, you dont know what to do. That why some women trash their husbands car, or "sell" him on ebay, or contact the OW and hurl abuse at her. It isnt sensible but when you are in absolute shock hurt and fear, you do whatever your brain tells you to. It isnt always the right thing logically, but its what your brain feels is right at the time. Its fight or flight, in the road rage incident you fly but in the affair incident some women fight.

And saying that you would have a sanguine lack of emotion towards the OW when you have never had to deal with that in your own life is incredibly naive and somewhat patronizing to those that have had to deal with it.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 10:18

It does go back to the bible, before when we were pagan we all shagged around the Beltane fires hand fasting for a year and it was the woman in charge and men couldn't have their cake and eat it. I blame Christianity for all this actually. The church saying what's moral and what's not.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 10:20

Yes but bogey you don't know how you would react if you fell in love with a married man, because after all in your own words you haven't had to deal with that in your life.

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 10:23

yes and when some of us were viking raping and pillaging were all the rage, or when we wre in caves we got dragged around by our hair. we evolve.

Woozley · 23/10/2012 10:29

I went out with a married man when I was very young so I am not quick to judge others on this score. I would never advocate it as a positive thing, but for me at the time it was largely positive as I came out of the relationship vastly more confident in myself and much happier than when I went into it. His wife never found out and to my knowledge, they are still together.

But as I said, I would never condone or advocate it, but merely seek to understand.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 10:34

Actually, you couldnt be more wrong Inneed!

Sadly, when I was single I did fall for a married man. I have no idea if it was reciprocated, I suspect it would have been, but I didnt take it any further and havent seen him since. If he had been single then he could well have been the love of my life, but he was married, so he was off limits. It was a friendship that developed, on my part, into something much deeper. I wanted it to be more, oh I wanted that so much, but i couldnt do it, I just couldnt.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 10:36

Maybe that is why I am so judgmental and why I was so shocked and disgusted at being cheated on, and at the OW. Because I know that you can walk away, you dont have to cheat or be an affair partner.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 10:55

Clearly I do know how I would react, I would give my husband about a week to leave and sort out somewhere else to live. I would then get on with my life. He is not my world, he is not my life, he is my husband and I love him less than I love my kids or myself.

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 23/10/2012 11:00

PP, you've read the Relationships threads. It isn't as simple as that. I'd like to think that is what i would do (and i certainly always recommend it as the most useful course of action), but I could never predict my own behaviour in the face of such devastating trauma.

I happen to agree with your (as I understand it) premise that men are not actually worth all this self-flagellating and catfighting between women.

But I think you being so "clear" is judgmental about other women who are less "clear" for reasons of their own.

ledkr · 23/10/2012 11:06

Posie that long? I gave my ex knobhead 20 mins

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 11:13

ledkr. Good for you.

I am possibly projecting my own feelings of complete annoyance of my own mother's inadequacy in dealing with my father, I find it quite pathetic. I've just never enabled anyone to have such power over me, but I know there are people who surrender everything.

I think focussing on the OW dilutes feelings of anger toward the real villain.

ledkr · 23/10/2012 11:21

I decided it would be less painfull to split than stay together.
I feel confident I would never put another person through it though due to having experienced it and how it affects the dc.
In my case the ow needs to take some critisi though she was unecessarily cruel to me and the children all very odd as I didn't say a word to her ever

ledkr · 23/10/2012 11:23

I think she was frustrated by my apparent lack of reaction