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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
kimberlina · 24/10/2012 21:09

I feel so sad tonight. I don't think I'll ever be happy again. I can't imagine ever being cuddled or kissed or feeling wanted again.
NSDH has not spoken to me for 48hrs (since reading my emails)apart from super polite answers that he can't avoid. I thought that if/when we split we might manage at least to be polite if not amicable. Now I don't think so. I think NSDH will try for custody of DD. I feel so frightened that I've ruined her life and condemned her to a lifetime of being ferried between parents

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:10

PS on subject of Diana... brought back memories of me thinking at the time when her marriage was very publicly failing and all her insecurities were splashed over the press, kind of grateful to her that if such an icon could have a failed relatrionship and be such a mess (don't mean that in a derogatory way, more fellow feeling), then it made me feel better being in a fucked up relationship. And what's REALLY fucked up is that I'm still in it argggh, this gives me back my drive.....

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:11

We move into our rented place on Saturday. Ex saw my grandma and DD's school concert today and asked her how long she thought this 'house lark' will go on for. She said forever.
He told me the whole thing is bonkers and we haven't even talked it through. I said the talking has been done before and nothing changed, that he obviously doesn't have any comprehension of why I've done this.
He told DD(4) 2 days ago that he is lonely by himself, for which I have torn him off a strip. He clearly thinks I am playing some kind of game, asking me if I'm enjoying the single life (!) I need to get a solicitor before long I think. I imagine it will be too much to hope for for an uncontested divorce.

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:13

oh kim so sorry you're feeling so very sad. You will be happy and wanted and loved again. Your NSDH is playing classic mind games on you - I know because it's a perfect repeat of what my fw has done on many occasions to me. It's not you, it's him. You have every right to speak to your dps however you like. He has no right to read your emails, certainly if it was actual letter it would be a criminal offence I believe. You're not in the wrong here. Support to you.

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:17

Match well done and good luck with move [hsmile]. Your grandma sounds pretty on the ball and a great ally! The single life - ha... my fw told me sometime ago that I was being "influenced" by my single mum friend and thinking the grass is greener and that's why we have marriage probs. Not the violence, verbal and emotional abuse, the non affection or companionship for years and years, the jack booting, the false accusations, the constant, draining criticism, oh no, not his fault at all [hconfused] [hangry]

kimberlina · 24/10/2012 21:18

Thanks trying you've made me cry (not that difficult at the moment). How does he make me feel so guilty? He's got his wounded hard done by face on and yet he's upset me so many times.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:25

That's exactly it Trying. He obviously can't imagine the possibility that I just don't want HIM anymore. I was also asked 2 days ago if I was having an affair. I am stunned at his arrogance as he is clearly of the opinion he is blameless in this. I think he sees us having been away for nearly 2 weeks as me having a prolonged strop.

bertiebassett · 24/10/2012 21:34

matchsticks I had exactly the same reaction...thinking I wasn't really serious....overreacting...accusations of seeing someone else....

The problem with these FW's is that *they can't accept that they've actually done anything wrong^...

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:37

Thing is, I have informed the doctors, dentists, HV, school, closed the joint account and fully furnished a rented house. Do I need "we're over" tattooed on my head or something?! Confused

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:39

Yes, exactly, Bertie, it's got to be an affair, or we're mad, or hormonal or stupid, but God forbid they accept an ounce of responsibility for their destruction of their marriages. I actually said to FW once, "your actions have caused this, don't you understand" when he was stropping furiously over me declining to sleep with him. You could see his total non comprehension, he was genuinely baffled Confused

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:41

Match I'm in awe, you're being so strong, I am following the same road! How did you tell him initially? Was he frightening when you first moved out?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:42

I can imagine the script of what he will tell his friends and family. I believe he hasn't told them yet as I haven't heard from his sister and would expect to. It will go "everything was fine, I get a bit stressed etc, but she's taken the kids and won't even talk things through" sob sob, woe is me. Then they will no doubt rally round and bring him meals as to the outside world he is Mr Charm. He is known at work for being Mr Unflappable, never loses his cool. That always made me feel extremely bitter.

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:43

PS on a lighter note, I keep seeing, as I post, that purple box at the top right of screen, with "Pumpkin Carving, show us yours", followed by "Vaginal Births" - is it just me or is that a rather unfortunate sequence of sentences... [hwink] sorry, ignore my inappropriate comment Grin

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:45

[hgrin] Not too far off the mark for DD's birth...

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:46

Match anyone in rl will definitely see that there's got to be a massive reason for you to take the drastic step of leaving the family home, such a difficult thing to do. I bet they'll be thinking, hmm, you never know what goes on behind closed doors, rather than poor him.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 24/10/2012 21:47

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tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:47

ha ha me too re first birth [hgrin] delivery room looked like horror film!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 24/10/2012 21:48

Trying I have left 3 times before. Each time I returned I fell for stage 3 of the cycle of abuse. The tipping point almost 2 weeks ago was seeing my poor little DD terrified of him over something so trivial and realising to myself that we couldn't live like this anymore.
I told him we were over, he told me to fuck off to my mum's then. So I did. And we haven't gone back despite his tears and assurances he will work on things. I have not cried in front of him. Because I am so done with that being my life. I am 31 and couldn't face another 30 years of this stress. I was having migraines and even with the stress of sorting out a new place, I haven't had a single one since we left.

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:49

Well done, Hilde for wiping smile off his face - they're not very sensible these fws, are they, scoring points instead of trying to work with us and win us back - but hey, I guess that's what makes them fws who we have to leave in the first place!

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 24/10/2012 21:51

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tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:51

God, well done, Match and I am so glad re the non return of migraines. I am the same, have illness made worse by stress, I just know once I escape I will feel magically better...

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:52

Ha, well done for saying that, Hilde, that should make him think a bit, I should think!

bertiebassett · 24/10/2012 21:59

I was told I must be menopausal...well I must be! Why else would I not forgive him for trying to shag other women while verbally and emotionally abusing me?

Halloween Vagina? Episiotomy...3rd degree tear...21 stitches...in fact it was so like Halloween I even had a haemorrhoid the size of a pumpkin Grin

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 24/10/2012 22:03

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tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 22:23

Ooh bertie snap on the "must be menopausal" ea bingo card! I was told, "the menopause is hitting you really hard" - when I was not in fact in the menopause! My response to that was what led to the PA which finally broke the marriage in fact...

Halloween Vagina, love it [hgrin]