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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
tryingsoonflying · 23/10/2012 22:04

Since my dm left, fw here has been quieter and nicer with dcs. However, that's playing with my brain: as the really awful awfulness recedes slightly and temporarily, the relief is such that it takes my urgency to leave away. I'm sure on some level he knows that. He also had telephone conversation with his sis tonight that I walked in on, which he quickly converted to something else, making me feel paranoid - default emotion from old days when I used to feel very insecure about him (with reason). I guess he is pressing my buttons that he knows so well and is trying to subconciously reel me back in? Or is planning something. I have given myself a talking to: ie, what can he do that would hurt me at this stage. The only thing is attacking me or absconding with kids. And those don't fit with muttered convos with his sis (who is decent but obvs on his side, but wouldn't brook hurting me or trying to take kids from their mum)

ponygirlcurtis · 23/10/2012 22:05

Maggie, that sounds so, so awful, and I was going to say the same thing as fool - a refuge would be a good option for you for now, just to get out, I really do worry for you as i think he's very dangerous and could turn at any moment (not to mention the fact that he's forcing you to have sex with him in exchange for letting you have some money, just hideous Sad Angry). How would you feel about contacting Refuge or Women's Aid about needing to leave as soon as possible?

Shriek, sorry, haven't been on all day and meant to say this morning - maybe it was me you thought had emailed CAB? I didn't, but I emailed Women's Aid and have had lots of support that way. Glad you managed to get it all out, sometimes an email is the only way that feels ok, that's how I felt.

bertie, really glad for you that you've got to this stage. I suspect your FW will drag his heels as long as possible though, and may even pretend not have have read the document yet in an attempt to 'not give you the satisfaction' not give you control over him, his worst fear.

tryingsoonflying · 23/10/2012 22:08

Hi Shriek well done for the CAB email, I am glad you managed to pour out some of the details, it's so hard, isn't it. I totally understand the sheer lack of energy, when all mental energy is eaten by the awfulness and the fight to stay sane in an insane situation. By the way, I didn't understand what GB is, sorry?!

bertiebassett · 23/10/2012 22:16

Thanks everyone Smile it feels good to get the divorce under way...

We had our first individual sessions with a mediator today. She seemed good. She used to be a divorce lawyer so knows the legal side too.

She has to be impartial in the actual process...but I had to tell her the background of our situation. Told her about EA etc. She said she understood completely why I was divorcing him. She also said he must feel very insecure because I hold all the cards (regarding DS and house). She said we really needed to come up with an alternative housing situation if he was going to drag his feet. And she reckoned I would find the mediation process very empowering. All sounds quite positive huh? Of course he could still refuse to accept my offer on house or negotiate on access...

Maggie it does sound awful...I think everyone on this thread knows just how long it takes to realise what's going on, and how hard it is to make that decision to do something about it. We're all thinking of you x

ponygirlcurtis · 23/10/2012 22:21

trying, that's exactly what used to happen to me - I called it 'resolve dissolve'. We become so grateful for any crumbs of niceness thrown our way that we grab hold of them and put meaning on them - 'look, he can be nice, maybe this time he's really changing...'.

And I also became completely paranoid - I lost count of the times I stood on chairs to look in light fittings, searching for the bugging device I was sure he'd planted, and the amount of time I spent loading anti-spyware software on my laptop, looking for the keylogging or screenshot capturing software I was sure he'd installed. And I'm not even now sure I was paranoid (I know he was checking the phone for numbers dialled out, that's how he found out I'd phoned a solicitor and confronted me, and I know he looked through my phone). So don't assume you're being daft. If you feel there's something going on, keep that feeling - if nothing else, it'll stop you from getting too drawn in by his 'niceness'.

Shriek · 23/10/2012 22:25

thanks flying v tired of it all now and sad and worried. I know lots are going through horrible things adn I'm really sorry. So hoping everyone gets out of this awful mess soon. GB = Gingerbread xx

ponygirlcurtis · 23/10/2012 22:27

Sorry Maggie, didn't mean to be pushing you to go, of course you need to get your head round it and do it in your own time, in your own way. I'm just worried for you!! Hope you're doing ok.

tryingsoonflying · 23/10/2012 22:38

Pony, resolve dissolve, fantastic term Smile I think our collective terms and ideas and strength make us a pretty powerful lot, whenever I feel defeated by the overpowering jackbootery and spaghettifying, I come on here and switch back to sanity Smile

Saw a flat today that is ideal! Over budget though.....but then I'm so in the shit money wise, in a way I think so what as long as I escape! Flat just right and nearby semi-family who are completely separate to fw, in an area he doesn't know but not too far for school/job. It's not available till 1st Dec though. But it's furnished and with nice, home-like furniture, not soulless IFSWIM. I felt like I was flying after I saw it Smile

Shriek, I will go to GB site now you mention it, good idea. I really hope they give support and help to you. I am so sorry you're feeling so very low. I was feeling like that a few days ago but feel really strong at thye moment, must be mood swings but sooo much better today than recently. Maybe because of seeing flat? I don't know....

MaggieMay05 · 24/10/2012 00:34

Thanks for the support and advice everyone, it really is a lifeline this thread x

I would love nothing better than to leave now but my DD (3yrs) is so excited about christmas with mummy, daddy and DS etc etc and her first year of really understanding it. I'm holding out until January. I have made my mum aware of the situation and have an emergency bag packed so if things should turn really nasty (violent) I can just get on that motorway with kids straight away.

I don't know why but I'm so worried about what to tell people about why I have left home when the time comes. Both mums have an idea but it will be mutual friends, grandparents etc I worry about. I just feel ashamed and that no one would believe me if I were to tell the truth. He's already done a good job making out I'm really boring to his friends. I think that FW thinks no one would believe me too as he's everyones best friend which is probably why he's so smug. I have not let him touch me in weeks and we are sorta taking turns sleeping on the sofa so don't feel in danger that way at the moment even though his words are enough to drain me. Just feel so run down/tired of it all you know?

Detach, keep sorting escape plan, pack in secret, detach detach detach! Wish I could afford a storage place nearby so I could get most of my stuff out, especially as I bloody paid for most of the nice stuff in our house. Just worried he will damage it when the time comes for me to fly Sad

Take care everyone-thinking of you all Thanks

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Shriek · 24/10/2012 08:19

Maggie I wish you were nearby I'd definitely offer what space I have (but others around you would surely want to do the same thing?). I know you haven't said anything yet, but you really don't have to IMHO, just ask for help and absolute silence! you can tell the rest later, when you're ready, if you want to. Good friends would just believe in you and help you with or without the detail recognising it might be too painful, or not ready to yet. and Thanks for you.

flying Really hope you have found the flat for you, and thanks. I wait on news fro CAB now, hanging.....

Shriek · 24/10/2012 08:41

Bertie so good to hear that you are feeling supported by the mediation process (and possibly empowered!) I think its very encouraging for us all to hear that it can be a very supportive process for EA sufferers in this position.

Here's to more of that for you.

bertiebassett · 24/10/2012 10:19

Thanks shriek Smile

I know I'm not out of the woods yet, but it does feel quite positive. The mediator called me last night to arrange the first joint meeting (two weeks time). She suggested that the first thing we need to agree on is alternative living arrangements while the divorce and mediation proceeds. I could have kissed her! If she can make that happen I will be sooo happy....

And just now my DB and DSiL have told me over the phone not to worry about money. They will pay whatever it takes to keep me and DS in this house and will support whatever decisions i make.

I burst into tears immediately of course...they are such lovely people and would do anything for family. I couldn't ask for more support...I'm so lucky

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 24/10/2012 12:31

bertie and hilde, you are both doing so well! Love hearing of your small steps forward. Smile

flying - good luck with the decision with the flat. It does sound good, except for the wait to move in!

Shriek - hope you get a helpful response from CAB.

MaggieMay05 · 24/10/2012 15:47

Thanks Shriek Thanks and everyone else Thanks I was in a much darker place before I found this thread, thanks to you all for always being there!

bertiebassett · 24/10/2012 19:10

maggie so glad to hear that xxx

I spent most of the day in a text war with FW (I know I know I shouldn't have responded).

He suddenly sent a text this afternoon professing his undying love for me. Oh really? I suggested that his behaviour didn't reflect that sentiment. He then said he was sorry he'd hurt my feelings over the past year. Oh is that right? That's all it is isn't it? I'm just being oversensitive to him 'upsetting me'...
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ontheparapet · 24/10/2012 20:02

Haven't been on here for a couple of weeks as h and I have been busy with other things, partly good as the other things will in the normal way of things be for our mutual benefit. For a week or so things felt 'normal' as though we were working together, and we have had flashes of the old, good relationship.

Bad day today, however, more evidence that he is trying to go behind my back to meet people (but no firm evidence that he has succeeded). I don't know whether it would be best to let on that I know, or continue to wait until the time feels right for me to pull the plug on our marriage/get him to choose me or his would-be "alternative lifestyle". I don't want to give an ultimatum until I am ready (ie when the dcs no longer need us to be together).

But today I am beginning to feel that I can't keep this up much longer. There are sound financial and practical reasons for staying together for the time being. But perhaps I would be fairer to him (but why should I care?) to do it now.

Am in absolute turmoil. Don't want to ruin half term next week as I/we have plans with both dcs.

No-one to talk to in rl (they would wonder why I have put up with it for so long). Feel I would like to see a counsellor but don't know when I could find time to do it when he would not notice me missing - can't take time out from work as I would have to give them a reason and I would just rather they didn't know I was having problems. And the usual thing of him being such a nice man to other people.

Feel that our marriage has gone past the point of no return. Is it worth putting up with all the crap in order to have some of the really good times we still have, and for the sake of the dcs who will be so disrupted if we separate.

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ontheparapet · 24/10/2012 20:47

hilde Thank you - to answer my own question - yes, scared of the alternative, and afraid of disrupting the dcs, and financial reasons. Also, reassuring myself that I was being quite strong by not pulling the plug/giving an ultimatum. Now and again I think of Princess Diana's words - the world's biggest prostitute - which I scoffed at when she said it (and had no strong feelings either way on Diana) but now I get what she meant. Sad. Need to win the lottery. Need to earn more money. I am taking small steps. Sorry I am being a bit garbled today but just need to get it off my chest.

Hugs to everyone Brew

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ontheparapet · 24/10/2012 20:57

Thanks, Hilde. Thanks Off to calm down before he gets back home.

bertiebassett · 24/10/2012 21:04

ontheparapet it's well known (on this thread at least) that you wouldn't still be in your relationship if there weren't any good times...

Somebody once said to me that when the thought of staying is worse than the thought of leaving...that's the point when you know what you have to do.

Hilde yes spaghettifying indeed. I don't think it's a coincidence that his occasional outbursts of 'but I love you' follow soon after visits from estate agents....letters from solicitors....meetings with mediators...

The text war this afternoon concluded with him informing me that he now wouldn't be able to move out until the house had been sold. He has to pay for solicitors and mediation...now I had started divorce proceedings...so he can't afford to go AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:05

parapet hugs and sympathy - totally agree with Hilde and in fact I need to apply the same principle to myself! Hilde your words are helping to keep me focused. Because things are marginally less terrifying and terrible the last couple of days, my drive to escape has slowed slightly which it can't. So it's great to come on here and get grounded again.

Maggie the thread is a lifeline, isn't it - I am so glad you are feeling supported and this is giving you strength in RL [hsmile] (had to try the hsmileys out!)

My nails and fingers have healed enough to type with normal fingers tonight! Is it a sign... [hwink]

tryingsoonflying · 24/10/2012 21:07

oooh bertie sympathy and fellow [hangry] feelings on your behalf, grrrr!

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