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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
kimberlina · 19/10/2012 23:01

It's just that - noone could have been wrong. Although he gave 3 options I clearly chose the one wrong! I suspect if I had liked his fave it would no longer be his favouite. Anything that involves my parents cause major problems .... but really he has forgotten that presents are something that someone chooses for you - not that you say I Want That One.

Ginga66 · 19/10/2012 23:57

Wow hide I can't believe you are so strong.
I've had a terrible day trying to put a brave face on for three yr old and manage to breastfeeding four mth old.
Basically I decided to go against dh wishes yesterday and visit my family. He does not like my younger brother. He downright hates my older brother but I understand that as the latter said some unforgivable things to him when he was drunk and is a pretty dodgy character, long story. He's ok with mum but talks down to her too.
I met them in order to visit my dads grave and I took baby but kept him in pram.
I told dh as he asked outright if I had seen brothers. He went mental angry, went out left me with kids for three hrs whilst he went to tai chi then came back and sat in car outside.
I do see his point regarding older brother so I apologised, won't do it again blah blah. He calls him a piece of shit etc etc. we stay pretty calm actually.
But this morning I was helping dh1 glue bits of paper and he accused me of putting kids in dangerous situations referring to visit yday and playing with glue today even though they use it at nursery all the time and I wasa supervising him.
When he says these things it's like a knife in my heart as I would never put them in danger and it triggers shame as opposed to just guilt as I feel I'm a bad mother.
The thing is I know I'm a good mum, nothing is too much for them and I have not slept for a long time now.
Today my younger brother wanted to visit. I hardly ever see him but bcos dh hates him too I had to say no. His sister was visiting this weekend and I said she could come over tonight as no real reason to shun her. However his mother tried to engineer a daytime visit to. I actually read her sneaky messages on his phone and did not tell him so that we could go somewhere else instead and not see them. Feels awful not being able to see my family but having to see his and play nice.
So we went to dinner but dh acting all weird, barely speaking to him then when he does I misheard him so he had a go about my hearing which is bad and I'm waiting for an ent feral but I can't help that I don't always hear him. When he does not hear me of course that is fine.
When we got home he's perfectly chatty with his family. It's only me he treats this way. He makes me feel like a boring unnatural five useless lump. I know I'm ok looking and reasonably intelligent and can have good conversations ai people whose every sentence isn't a criticism.
I don't know how much longer I can go on like this but I so don't want to inflict divorce on my children.
I still love him but I don't feel loved or even liked. I feel disrespected and undermined all the time.
He wasn't always like this. Last moth has been the worst for along time.
I don't have the strength to act right now, I just need to cope.
I need a book I can ad on how to cope if you can't leave...yet. Any advice.
Sorry this is so long, been a hard day, so terribly sad and lonely and confused and feel like I'm disappearing. Miss the old me. Don't want kids growing up with a drink of water for a mum.

Shriek · 20/10/2012 00:17

oh Ginga thats horrible. Wot an awful day. Sounds like you are staring things in the face and its not pretty :( so sorry.

If you are not sleeping much it can be very hard to stay positive about anything let alone managing a 3 yr old and a 4 mth old whilst NSDH being a git, frankly! How are you supposed to feel instead? Doesn't sound like you are 'a drink of water' as you are still doing the stuff you want to. If you think there is risk with DB then you could leave baby with NSDH whilst you visit?

You need some support and rest!

Even with support its pretty normal to feel wiped out and down in these very early months of new baby. Try to give yourself a break. You realise he's talking rubbish, and that you are intelligent, can hold your own socially and love being with your babies, enjoying play with them. Its all good :) and you're doing great balancing it all. Try not to think about this stuff until you have got a couple of good night's sleep under your belt if thats possible??!?! Then youll have the energy to assess it all with more clarity..

take lots of care and get some rest and peace. warm hugs to you.

TheSilverPussycat · 20/10/2012 01:00

ginga you sound as if you are still in touch with yourself. I say this because you are aware that at present you can only summon the strength to cope with your current situation. This is good, it is like treading water, just keeping afloat and not drowning.

Take plenty of time:- if I may change metaphor, you are slowly coming fully awake.

(Perhaps not so good a metaphor, since sleep is what you need - hope you get what I mean! so the first step in continuing to awaken to your situation is to get as much rest as you can...)

Ginga66 · 20/10/2012 01:01

Oh shriek. It's so nice to have someone say something nice to me that I fel quite upset!
Iknow lack of sleep makes everything worse.
I will try and avoid big discussion with dh until. Have some sleep.
Can't visit dbro without baby as exclusively breasted and too far away
Yes dh is a git to put it mildly but he manages to turn it all around so I feel nuts but now I know about ea I know I'm not which is comforting.

Shriek · 20/10/2012 01:12

I 2nd pussycat in that you do really come across as having a good handle ' on it all. I really think you are just very tired or worn down by it.... sorry to have caused upset hun :( soft & gentle words are good for softening and releasing the hurts that you carry. try to rest and take care of yourself.

I understand about the exclusive breast-feeding, did the same and you cannot go anywhere! (although I did get the hang of expressing after the first few months). So could at least leave a bottle and sleep in sometimes (rarely I have to say!) but precious (have a very clear mental tally of the days it actually happened!).

Talk about emo f* up.. scar face is on... go michelle pfieffer go! tell it like it is girl! cool ;)

Shriek · 20/10/2012 01:16

a good night to all lurking here ;) I have to slope off to sleep now. Hopes for peace this weekend to all. hugs Ginga - sleep well

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bertiebassett · 20/10/2012 07:43

Oh hilde that is sooo sweet of your DC!

It's FWs day with DS today so I'm feeling a little sad. I can hear them talking and laughing in the bedroom next door... But DS sneaked in to see me and give me a kiss when FW went downstairs Smile (he knows that daddy wouldn't let him otherwise)

Anyway, I get to spend the day with my little boy tomorrow...just need to keep myself busy today! Not sure what to do though...do you have any plans hilde?

bertiebassett · 20/10/2012 07:44

....apart from buying a new lock, that is!

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 20/10/2012 08:25

Aaarrghh! Made some off-hand comment to lodger/friend (about how NSDH has to win everything) and it was reported back to NSDH! Plus was talking on phone to DDad and mentioned difficult marriage and only then realised that I was within earshot of lodger!

Anyway, apart from the "See, I'm letting you 'win' this one... these funny ideas you have..." comment Hmm, we had an interesting conversation last night. I was more assertive about my feelings (thanks counsellor and MN!) and ended up feeling warmer towards him than I have for months.

All most spaghettifying. But the thing he let me 'win' was a decision about what to do today - so no long drive to the coast, but a long walk in the woods not so far away. And he even read the walk information and said it sounded nice - so this time maybe no comments about how his plans would've been better. Yay!

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knackeredknitter · 20/10/2012 09:38

Hi there everyone, time for me to ad myself here, really need to start "talking" to someone, can't say much right this moment,except you all sound as though you are married to my fw (love that Grin)
Just wanted to introduce myself, before I shy away fro posting again.
Love you all, you have been silently supporting me for a few weeks now xxxx

Shriek · 20/10/2012 10:02

enjoy your 'assertive' walk charlotte ;)

Sweet gesture by your dcs Hilde - a feel a note of caution in their actions though - are they worrying about mummy, and trying to make mummy feel better? They are so sensitive to their parents and feel responsible so easily which is one of the most difficult bits for them about the upset and conflict we're all experiencing. I hope they feel nothing of the sort of course and it was just the light-hearted gesture of a 'see you after the weekend' gift.. awww...

My situation has raised dcs concerns for me, I know that, and I feel its very difficult line to walk between 'showing' normal reactions to abusive situation, and 'not being able to manage' in front of them, and its lovely to have a hug or a cup of tea made to feel loved when one is struggling but I reckon they all must feel the worry in our situations, but they must be made to feel free as children and go do their things and enjoy despite everything. This is me sharing how difficult its been for me to do that and knowing there's been an element of responsibility from my dc because of times I haven't been showing strength!

Sorry to have hung that all on that lovely gesture Hilde - but you saying that has made me refocus on that for my situation, and am going to set about being clear on that AGAIN! OOO! very sad now :( for the dc experience of their childhood, that its not perfect extremely traumatic

NiniLegsInTheAir · 20/10/2012 10:45

We have a first in the Nini house this morning, after pestering since DD was born (and she's 20 months), NSDH has finally taken her to our local Dad's baby group. Going to counselling has had that effect at least! There was a lot of stress from him this morning about getting out the house, which was amusing to watch. They're not going to be back until after 12 so I've done the hoovering, put washing on and now I'm going to pop into town to send some parcels. Long may this continue. Smile

LemonDrizzled · 20/10/2012 11:50

shriek you are vocalising something that has bothered me greatly since I left the original FW two years ago. At first he was devastated and cried in front of the DC who felt responsible for him and angry with me. But gradually and after lots of cups of tea in mums kitchen they have settled and as DD1 says "Dad I'm your daughter not your psychiatrist!" They are of course highly sensitive and wary of upsetting him. (We all walked on eggshells for two decades) But they now spend time with me and my NM and see leg pulling and gentle humour and the DDs have lovely men who tease them without the world falling apart and I think things are improving. DS always had a robust set of boundaries and can't be manipulated! Now when FW is huffing and taking umbrage there are more cocked eyebrows and ignoring than anything else.

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TheSilverPussycat · 20/10/2012 13:50

You put my cushions to shame hilde Grin

I am kackhanded, it's a triumph for me to change a light bulb without breaking it, and as for building high chairs and changing locks...

You are not pushing your emotions onto DD1, she is showing how empathic she is, and she has taken action to cheer you up. Of course you can keep some choc back to give back share when she gets home - or eat it if you need it. The gift is of a form highly recommended by MN for emotional comfort Grin

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knackeredknitter · 20/10/2012 13:59

I am such an idiot, maybe he is right and no-one likes me but everyone loves him so the problem is me and not him

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bertiebassett · 20/10/2012 14:22

knitter them making sure everyone thinks they're wonderful (when they're not) seems to be a common topic on this thread. I'm sure none of it is you...what's been happening?

hilde I am SO impressed! I'm pretty good at DIY (even if I say so myself) and changing a lock can be quite tricky.

Of course choosing the correct cushions for a sitting room is an equally challenging task silver Grin (and to be honest I'd probably be better at changing the lock!)

Today I have been to gym, donated a whole car full of old clothes to the air ambulance, done a bit of shopping, and cleaned the car...

I'm here alone so I am now going sit on the sofa in the living room, watch some tv and knit and try and hold back the strong urge I've had all day to phone FWs parents and tell them what an arse he's being not wanting me and DS to stay in this house because I'm sure they don't know and they would be shocked to the core

...and breathe...

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fraggletits · 20/10/2012 15:32

Hey everyone, happy weekend, just wanted to check in and say I think you're all fantastic. Stayed at my mums last night and drank my weight in wine! Just been trying to catch up with all the posts here.

Feeling a bit weird today, emptiness laced with a touch of anxiety. It's probably a hangover tho!

Have lovely evenings :)

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