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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
bertiebassett · 18/10/2012 15:46

Ah ladies...why did I marry such a twunt?

He has now hired a solicitor and has said he will go to mediation to discuss the house, finances and child access.

He will now not move out until he has received the divorce petition (is obsessed with finding out what my grounds are) and everything has been agreed. This could go on for months!

bertiebassett · 18/10/2012 15:49

BTW I think mediation is absolutely necessary to sort out child access. Formalise a schedule etc...

But what is there to 'discuss' about the house? He can't afford to buy it. I can. It's just a case of sorting out the pennies!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/10/2012 15:52

So does that mean he intends to fight for every penny he can? Hey ho - hopefully his solicitor will tell him it's a very fair deal and an excellent offer too! I guess it means your solicitors can fight it out and you can be removed from the details?

bertiebassett · 18/10/2012 15:58

charlotte I hope that means the solicitors will sort it out between them now, yes. In fact, my solicitor says he's going to call FW's straight away.

I just want him to go away now

kimberlina · 18/10/2012 16:16

Nini Sorry I didnt mean to trivialise physical violence. I know it's awful. I just sometimes wish that because then there could be no doubt. I could go to the doctor/police show them my injuries and then it would be a permanent record rather than just me saying he says stuff. I'm really sorry if I've upset or offended you.

fraggle My parents aren't allowed in the house either. When I've nipped to see them without OH knowing I've felt sick in my stomach in case he's got home early and finds out. :( so stupid. I rarely mention them cos it causes so much huffing and tutting

NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/10/2012 16:20

Kimberlina, I'm not offended, hope it didn't come across that way. Smile I know what you mean, if you can see it people are more likely to believe you! Unfortunately the last time it happened to me, I had a visit from 2 coppers who weren't interested in seeing my injury at all. I did offer. Bizarre.

Oh Bertie Sad. Fingers crossed the solicitor can help and hopefully it won't take as long as you fear! What a twunt he is Sad

MrsOscarPistorius · 18/10/2012 16:34

May have spoken too soon about him trying. Just phoned him to ask if he will cook DCs tea, (v simple just putting frozen stuff in oven) and explained that I won't be home to get it ready in time before DS2 needs to go out to an activity. His reply "Are you going to be home late then?" in other words why can't you do it. Well I would do it, if I was going to be home in time, as Ive said I wont be.
During our convo/argument at the weekend he disputed what time I get home from work and said I get home earlier than I actually do. He is normally not in, unless he has a day off to mind the DCs - so therefore on those rare occasions I am home earlier as not picking them up from daycare. Plus if he has the car, I get a lift from a colleague who finishes earlier than me. But apparently I dont know what time I get home from work, he does, although he is not there!

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shanelle5 · 18/10/2012 17:33

Hello can I join? Really need some support during a difficult time.
Cutting it as short as possible, my partner was/is very abusive - he has BPD for those who know it? Its a mental health issue making him very controlling and manipulative and lacking in any sympathy/empathy.
My reason for finding myself here is that he has left me (again, he leaves a LOT) 5 weeks ago, good news you may think except I am 38 weeks pregnant, due in less than 2 weeks and alone, scared and confused.
I know Im better off without him, but my self esteem is rock bottom and I hate being alone, especially as im about to give birth!
As usual he is blaming me saying it is , as ever ALL my fault and that he could not put up with me any longer Sad
I dont believe that to be true but its a very blurred line when someone has a MH disorder, to know how much he cannot help or how much he is just being a complete arsehole. Whatever the reason, he has treated me horribly this pregnancy and I cannot forgive him this time especially for walking out on me and our baby. Anyone offer any thoughts on staying strong and how I keep my resolve not to go back this time? Even though im shitting myself and have financial problems alone?

Shriek · 18/10/2012 17:56

my ex is all about 'keeping up appearances' too bertie

The house is looking presentable she's a mess and can't cope with more than her cup of coffee right now because of the abuse I have just inflicted upon her at the state of the mess the house is in when people are coming

His decisions are all based around what others will think of him.

Shriek · 18/10/2012 18:10

oh no Shanelle. :( sad for you. I think you'll get buckets of understanding and support here and shared experiences that might give you some hope of how things can change/what will work for you.

You know its not your fault, BPD is huge for you and him to manage, but you may still think you trigger him. Does he take meds for it? If so, he needs more! if he can treat you this way at this very late stage of your pregnancy have you tried WA? I know I keep on promoting it, but its so clued in to what's happening to women and with contacts, keeping women safe, etc.

somewhere here might be more legally clued than I about the situation if 'HE HAS LEFT' ??

You're not alone, people do want to help. Keep asking anyone that can help you until you have all the answers you need to make decisions.

Take lots of care of yourself and your little family. hugs.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/10/2012 18:19

Hey shanelle - so sorry to hear about your situation.

Shriek is right, it's really not your fault, as you suspect. And at the end of the day, whether he has BPD is beside the point - if someone is treating you badly, that's enough to end the relationship. The reasons why he's doing it shouldn't matter.

Have you got any real-life support around you? Family, friends? Have you spoken to your midwife? Mine was great. And once your baby is born, as well as having health visitor support you will be entitled to various benefits - CAB should be able to help. I second Shriek's suggestion to go to Women's Aid - you've been abused, you're vulnerable and need some help and guidance, they'll point you in the direction of help and be an ear to listen as well. As will we - never underestimate the power of a good rant! Come here and get support as much as you need.

And be kind to yourself. hugs from me too.

fraggletits · 18/10/2012 18:34

Hugs to you Shanelle :( I hope your baby coming in a coupe of weeks is the ray of light you deserve in your life. It might well improve things with your other half, you never know?

Bertie, so sorry he's being a dick. Do you think mediation will be good for you all? What grounds are you going for anyway, unreasonable behaviour? Do we have irreconcilable differences here in the uk or is that a Hollywood thing I'm used to seeing in sleb world?

DD1 keeps singing Taylor Swift's new song, 'we are never getting back together', makes me smile a little bit

shanelle5 · 18/10/2012 18:37

I have been reluctanct to share too much infowith midwife and health visitor as im terrified they will take the baby away. They know he has MH issues and have already talked about social services . Am i right to be nervous please be honest? With me being on anti depressants due to my MH taking a battering caring for him i.really worry about asking for too much support incase they think i can't cope Sad

bertiebassett · 18/10/2012 18:59

shanelle another one here suggesting contacting women's aid. It must be so stressful for you at the moment. Remember that you are not responsible for his behaviour...and his BPD is no excuse. Keep posting xxx

fraggle funnily enough I'm just trying to decide what to put down as my examples of 'unreasonable behaviours'...there are so many to chose from Sad . Not sure whether to hit him with the worst or go for the gentle approach...don't think it actually matters as far as the law is concerned. As my solicitor said, its very subjective, picking your nose can be unreasonable behaviour to some people....

MaggieMay05 · 18/10/2012 19:17

Welcome Shanelle So sorry you have had to join us but hope you know you will never be alone now-we are all here to support you xx

My FW is here so can't stay on long but have a look at the Gingerbread website-i found it really useful with regards to benefits that can be claimed etc etc. Stay strong. Hugs x

Shriek · 18/10/2012 19:24

Bertie I hope you have started your list, as yep, picking his nose should definitely be one!

but then there's: Farting, having smelly poo, weeing too far from the toilet, scratching balls in company (with/out trousers on), oh and how about sniffing all the time, or breathing too heavily, sometimes sitting too close, looking at you in a funny way, taking you too seriously, not taking you seriously enough,

OMGoddess... the list is endless, isn't it!

Shriek · 18/10/2012 19:28

and shanelle I've recently looked into the social services situation due to terrible upsets and their effect on dc in school, being off school etc and very real fear of what might be said reflecting on me in any way atall. I asked 'around' other teachers, parents, friends of social workers. The verdict was, and its been said on here, that courts etc take very little notice of the psychological effects, emo upset etc. Other can probably state this a bit better than I.

Can you speak to OH's psych to understand what happens to families in these situations as I imagine there would be most knowleddge/info there as they deal with all the time, and completely understand your situation?

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 18/10/2012 20:06

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bertiebassett · 18/10/2012 20:35

Funny thing is FW doesn't do any of those things...tidy to the point of being obsessive! One of his (many) complaints about me was that I didn't fold the towels properly...

ponygirlcurtis · 18/10/2012 20:41

hilde, I am the same with that song. I find I have a very different perspective on a lot of things now. I just can't watch 'Cheaters', which I've found a few times when flicking through the channels - the undercurrent of violence is really unsettling. Even John Wayne films, when he's chucking a 'misbehaving' woman about a room, are viewed in a different light now. Sad

shanelle, I have no direct experience of SS, but I told my midwife about my NSDH's EA and sometimes PA of me. I have also told my HV. They've never mentioned anything about me being in danger of having my son taken. They also know I'm on anti-ds as a result of the abuse. I would think they are more concerned about your ex being around the baby than you, and would perhaps be concerned if yo took him back but you sound resolute that he's an ex so that shouldn't be anything to worry about. (But as I say, that's just my thoughts, I don't have any experience with SS.) But please, speak to someone, even if it's Women's Aid or Gingerbread or something like that (with WA, I found it easier to email them, it's not an instant reply but I could marshall my thoughts better, and I got good support and information).

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/10/2012 20:46

Ooh, what was that super-scary film about (I'm pretty sure) an abusive marriage and she knew he'd come back because the towels were all folded straight and lined up?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 18/10/2012 20:48

Hi Shanelle from me, too, by the way. Are you resolute about not taking him back this time, do you think?

Shriek · 18/10/2012 20:53

yes hilde excellent, (burping, toenails, etc) HAD TO LOL!

and Bertie you defo have to add the tidyness to list of downright awful behaviours, how very dare he indeed, be so tidy, completely unreasonable,

so, folding towels carefully, umm, stacking tins in cupboards (ring any bells ladies? - sleeping with the enemy? perhaps - am waiting for the sexy male neighbour to move in! ha!).

Same chords with the songs 'monster... ' & ' never getting back together..' absolutely

take care all