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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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LemonDrizzled · 16/10/2012 22:04

Loving the FW Biogs!

Mine would be:
I am a humble man not worthy of my huge salary and international fame although I am in fact truly special and must be congratulated and reassured of my worth constantly
I love my family and want them to do well as long as they follow the academic path and do as I say
I love to shop and cook special expensive and complicated dishes to show off but someone like me cannot be expected to wash up, do mundane chores like cleaning or putting the bins out of course my wife does all that
I expect my wife to work in a well paid profession that reflects well on me as long as she is available to look after me
I am so misunderstood and if my wife is so unhappy it must be because she has mental health problems because everybody knows I am a lovely kind guy until someone crosses me when I get really nasty

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/10/2012 22:10

gottachange - if you feel in danger then it would be sensible to play it down. But if you don't feel in any danger, then hanging up etc seems a good way to protect yourself a little.

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MaggieMay05 · 16/10/2012 22:15

Gotta welcome xx reading your post made me Sad it was my life. I have since been through ivf and now have two little ones. In my eyes they are miracles but my FW will always remind me of how he had to sell the car to pay for treatment etc etc etc. As if not being able to have a baby natually isn't hard enough for a woman to process but to have someone always reminding you of that with nasty comments makes it 10 times worse. That just reminded me of our trips back and forth to the clinics (over many years) and the horrible car journeys I had with him during that time. I was too weak and scared back then. When I stand up to him now he tells me I just used him and his money to have babies and he will tell erveryone that. In reality, when I found out I couldn't have kids I tried to 'free' him-couldnt get rid of him, I also paid half of the treatment costs and right now at this moment, although I love my DD and DS to the moon and back and wouldn't change them, I wished I'd just used a sperm doner!

Stay strong and like us that are still trapped keep your head down and plan your future in secret until ready to fly. We are all here to support you xx

Shriek · 16/10/2012 22:24

Everyone knows I am an amazing chef especially at home for my family and love to cook them shite from the whoops section and give them the shits cook my family wonderful three course dinners.

Maggie OMGoddess LMAO!!! and just read again and did again!.. I have to take a night off tonight. Its too much and there's so much serious hurt underneath it all.... BUUUT

gotta be able to keep laughing and having some fun in life, and if there something in this to laugh at.... and see, there's LOADS!

They are so lucky to have me as I am so full of shit hardworking...
That is v funny! That minxy satnav, sure it deserved all it got! It is quite therapeutic, isn't it? 2nd your comments here pony didn't notice it first time round and its so hilarious, glad you highlighted as i had another LOL.

dc wondering what I'm laughing at on my own down here!

gotta my experience is definitely 'worse before better' . Backing off and putting down phone, lack of usual explanations/justifications, refusing to get 'drawn' into situations, all seem to just make it worse, but aha, here's the trick 'only for him', as he tries to up the pressure to get the reaction he can hit out at (physically or verbally).

oh I am soooo charming and so very funny, and my mates know I must be such a great and groovy guy to live with, what a lucky lady she is indeed so lucky that i'm gonna drill her head into the headboard tonight cos i'm so drunk i can't even see who i'm screwing

my lucky lady will enjoy a nice surprise tonight after she's settled into her hot relaxing bath when I join her to have a lovely chat whilst shitting on the loo and making the place stink so much she has to leave, what fun it is to spoil things for her

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/10/2012 22:24

As usual, your FW sounds unnervingly like mine, Lemon. Although mine has reassured me that he does expect to do the washing up after the show off meals, it's just that he, er, gets - distracted when the time comes. Probably by work. It's tough being a man of huge salary not huge at all when wife tries to get her irresponsible hands on it and international fame.

And that thing about being congratulated constantly! Recently we had a conversation which went something like this:

Me (tentatively): I feel you've been quite critical of me lately.
Him (hearing "You're a worthless bastard!"): Really? Do you?! Well, you're always so critical of me I get regularly very upset by it.
Me (getting deflected easily Blush): Really? Gosh, I'm sorry to hear that; I had no idea. Can you give me an example of a time I've hurt you with my criticism?
Him: Yes! You didn't compliment the meal I made yesterday! Nobody did! Or the day before!

Confused WTAF?!?!

LemonDrizzled · 16/10/2012 22:27

Gotta Welcome! I'm sorry about your MCs. Do you have any DC already?

How unreasonable you are objecting to adultery gambling and sports cars. It is his right as a special person to have these things.

Do all these FW really think they are so special? Or is it their lack of self esteem that makes them so needy and wanting conspicuous signs of their success? It all sounds very narcissistic which fits with the inability to see our needs and regard our feelings.

If you challenge him he will need to assert himself to reduce you to where you belong, humbly grateful for his good opinion. Best to post here and practise the "yes dear" response instead while you make a plan.

LemonDrizzled · 16/10/2012 22:36

Charlotte My best mate just laughs and says "Well what do you expect - he is a knob!" No love lost between them... I think it probably applies to your FW too. All hurt feelings and oversensitive looking for offense
where none was intended.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/10/2012 22:42

:o I need a best mate like that!

kimberlina · 16/10/2012 23:11

I need to join you all :(

LemonDrizzled · 16/10/2012 23:14

Jump in kimberlina there are some lovely people here...
Are you okay?

kimberlina · 16/10/2012 23:15

(D)H is so like others except the sex. He hasn't touched me in 18mo. Makes me feel unlovable.

My DD cries if I leave the room. apparantly it's my fault cos I've made her so dependent on me just like my mother has done with me

I'll be back with more later.

Just needed to take the plunge and actually post something

MaggieMay05 · 17/10/2012 01:03

Welcome Kimberlina x

Its hard to make the first post, but please don't worry and keep posting. We are unfortunately all in the same boat as you and try and support each other, always without judgement. Even if you just need somewhere to have a rant there is always someone here. This support network has had me in tears-sad ones, angry ones and absolutely hilarious ones! So please don't ever feel alone.

My DD is similar to yours and a few others DC on here also similar-seems to be a growing trend with FWs. Also everyones fault but their own hey! Stay strong and keep in touch. Hugs x

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/10/2012 06:09

He came round last night to see the kids and guilt trip me. Said I was throwing 6yrs of marriage away and played everything down saying it wasn't as bad as I make out and blaming his explosive temper on work stress and us having small dc( for whom I do the most caring).
Went mad when he saw I had taken my rings off. Then started going on saying that meant I could find someone else then. As if that is a priority for me.
We are looking at a house to rent today that sounds perfect as it's owned by my friend's boss, just done up, lower rent than ones I've seen and he will let me justtake a 3mth lease initially.
H managed to make me feel so guilty r.e rings that I put wedding ring on my right hand. It got stuck and had to be cut off last night at the fire station as A&E didn't have the right kit. I suppose that is one way of drawing a line under it.

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gottachangethename1 · 17/10/2012 07:56

Morning all. I have been awake since 4am with bad ibs, which always happens after fw has ranted at me. Your blogs have really made me smile-I can relate to almost all of them. Oh well, at least he is away at the moment. Thank you all for your kind words & advice. I think it may be best to put a front on of my usual subservance for now. I can feel my new attitude is causing him to even more aggressive than usual & it doesn't feel safe. Inside though,I feel different. I can't kid myself anymore that my marriage is normal & he is just a bit stressed. No bugger stays stressed for 20yrs! Love to you all.

Shriek · 17/10/2012 08:29

gotta the winds of change? (sorry that wasn't meant to be related to ibs in any way! :-/ )

That word STRESS! Stress is the same as an addiction, one that the stressed cannot acknowledge (just the same as drinking/drugs/gambling etc.) One that eats your entire life and family and can cause damage to all around. ... but his 'explosive temper' matchsticks is still his choosing to deal with the stress in that way of course, its one way but only have to look around and see how others deal with it. . Some deal with stress v well, others fall apart blame/attack others to make themselves feel better Sorry to hear another ordeal for you around the ring; it does seem pretty symbolic doesn't it?

my ex has dc life all mapped out kimberlina - ruined by me of course not get used to being picked up and dropped, ignored in preference for work (which is so much more important) or expect to be blamed and wrong for having anything but the perfect smile plastered on hmmm

There are many here that 'carry' the relationship, and if they 'drop' something it all goes wrong, such a responsibility and exhausting, believing that it must be their fault if it goes wrong perhaps. something i now can see, even if i can't always stop myself trying to do.

take care all and thanks for the laughs

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/10/2012 09:07

God yes, 'stress' is my NSDH's excuse for EVERYTHING! I'm sick of hearing about it. He whinges about stress but does nothing to sort it, I'm just expected to pour sympathy on him. On the plus side, if he is actually stressed it might kill him at a young age.

At counselling on Monday when the counsellor asked us what we were going to do to make this a good week, one of the many lies things NSDH said was that he was going to help me sort the bathroom out as we're having the floor redone today. In reality, what that really meant was him waking DD and me up at half 6 this morning as he was chucking things onto the landing. I got up as he was leaving to find stuff blocking the door to the bathroom Hmm so I told him I'd have to move things PROPERLY as this was no good (I'm sure he'll tell the counsellor I was being negative). As he left he said "Oh, the floorboards still need to be fixed down, you need a drill and some screws." This was a job he was sposed to do, so I said no I wouldn't be doing it and hopefully the floor fitters will be able to help. Does this sound like a man whose changed his ways?

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/10/2012 09:12

Oh, and one more from me:

"I'm such an amazing lover in bed. I can go for ages not cum within a few minutes and blame it on the fact that my wife doesn't have sex with me enough so I'm out of practice. I always make sure she is pleasured first and tell her how much I love her afterwards not cling to her practically weeping about how sorry I am that I came without doing anything for her and begging that she enjoyed it too so that she feels forced to reassure and reassure me that she loved it when she didn't, just to get me to shut up.

Hmm Grin

Shriek · 17/10/2012 09:33

yeah totally nini

Its your fault I can't pick up dc and you'll have to explain that its because you were horrible to me because i'm in a very important job and its stressing me to death, so you mustn't disagree with me - it'll be your fault when I implode

I would listen to your problems but my life is far more important than yours so you must listen and help me with mine because i have a high power job so ITS stressful, but your problems are boring and not important

I didn't intimidate and scare you by pursuing you round the house forcing doors and raging at you! how can I be expected to remember these things when the red mists descends because you've driven me to it AGAIN

hope that the fitters will be helpful when they arrive so that you and dc can get around safely!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/10/2012 09:44

Thanks Shriek, DD is at nursery so I'm actually sat with my feet up, bliss. Smile Nodding like a nodding dog to your last post.

We also have a leaky car that needs fixing, so he's arranged for it to go to the garage on my one day a week when I'm at home with DD - I asked him how I was supposed to get her to her music group on the other side of town that day, plus go see my friend afterwards, and he claimed he will 'give me taxi money'. I reminded him that that's not helpful as DD's carseat can't go in a taxi. The fact that he could have arranged it for any other day of the week when I'm at work so wouldn't be inconvenienced is making me angry. Of course, either way it doesn't make a difference to him as he's not the one who is inconvenienced!!!!! Aaaaaaargh.

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gottachangethename1 · 17/10/2012 09:54

In so much discomfort I had to take the morning off work(wouldn't do that if fw was home) I am stunned by the comment of another fw cumming after seconds due to his wife not wanting sex enough. I have been told that for years. Mine was also impotent for the first 6 months we were together, he said he'd been with many,many women & had never had that problem with anyone else. I have been so gullible.right off to lay down with a hot water bottle.