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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationship: 12

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foolonthehill · 09/10/2012 14:15

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Shriek · 16/10/2012 16:59

so good! ha ha! ha! keep em coming :D

Shriek · 16/10/2012 17:01

you stay home and rest love you're pregnant right I'm off out all night now cos you're boring and fat!

Shriek · 16/10/2012 17:03

do you reckon they all have went to the same finishing school have the same abusers dictionary

fraggletits · 16/10/2012 17:25

Yes mine's definitely the workaholic, out to make the big bucks and protect his reputation sort.

Thanks for the welcome everyone, you seem a witty down to earth bunch! How do we end up with these freak shows FGS! Shriek, I have 2 dd's, 7 and 4 bless them. Trying my best to protect them from all this.

Anyway, made a first step today and applied for a new bank account at a different bank. Said I was separated on the form! next step citizens advice I think. I have a golden opportunity in that FW is away for 10 days with work on thurs.

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Shriek · 16/10/2012 18:55

Oh I'm so sorry you are feeling poorly :( but surely i can still shag you once you've stoppped hugging the loo and cleaned yourself up a bit, actually don't waste time cleaning yourself up

Hope your back gets better soon the house is getting into a real mess and someone might come round and spot that actually its my turn when you can't move! and making love might help you to get you moving a bit, I promise I'll be gentle and if you would just lie on your stomach I could still shag but you really must try to stifle any shrieks of pain as they put my off my stroke and then I don't enjoy it so much

Oh darling have you had a hard day, ah bless the baby is still feeding put that f*ing baby down and get my dinner on for christs sake, enoughs enough

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MaggieMay05 · 16/10/2012 19:12

LMAO!!! My FW is all of these especially the shagging ones! Just putting kids to bed-hes working tonight thank god-time for myself! Thx for cheering me up! Back soon!Grin

foolonthehill · 16/10/2012 19:38

Yup...one single mould is where they all come from...frightening really...all the same with a few cosmetic variations......arrrgh.....

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/10/2012 19:47

I have hilde's nodding head from reading all these!!!

Shriek: I know what men are like don't trust them cos I'm like that you can't trust me either
I have a half-feeling that this may be true for my NSDH since I left the house, but have no concrete evidence because the suspect receipts I found mysteriously disappeared.

fraggle - fantastic first step. Having your FW away for a few days is good breathing space, and great opportunity to take some steps without fear of being found out. Having your own separate money is so important.

trying - seen any other flats around? Sorry that the first one wasn't right, I know it's frustrating when that happens - I went to see somewhere I thought would be perfect, but it just didn't feel right, and in the end I couldn't decide whether to take it and lost it to someone else at the right minute. But then my flat came along and was perfect and I'm so happy here. You'll find the right place, trust in the universe! [oooooohhhhhmmmm] I'm not religious (although I often wish I was) but I do kinda believe that the universe looks after us. Sounds a bit dippy when I say that out loud...

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/10/2012 20:08

hilde, my DS1 has been speaking on the phone to his dad every night (yes... every night... for the first year after we split it was in the morning as well...) since he was 1.5yrs. Sometimes, over the years, he has gone through phases of not wanting to speak on the phone, both with his dad and with me if he was with his dad. I always said I wouldn't force him at the time, but I'd have a discussion with him after it (depending on how old he was) about what he was feeling, why he wouldn't talk to daddy, trying to help him understand that daddy would like to speak to him and all he has to say is hello and bye-bye really.

Also, most of the time DS1 wont say 'love you' at the end of the call, he's just anxious to get off the phone and get back to doing what he was doing. It's just a focus thing. He doesn't realise how it makes daddy feel that he doesn't say 'love u'. And shouldn't have to, because I've always thought that as long as DS1 is happy and comfortable with what's happening, that's all that matters.

I think it's maybe just something he'll get used to in time, is he used to speaking to people on the phone. Maybe encourage him to have one particular thing to tell his dad on the phone?

Hope that's in some way helpful.

MaggieMay05 · 16/10/2012 20:34

A taster from my FWs Bio.........

Everyone knows I am an amazing chef especially at home for my family and love to cook them shite from the whoops section and give them the shits cook my family wonderful three course dinners. They are so lucky to have me as I am so full of shit hardworking and my job is so important they love to make sure they are there for me when I return from work shift everything and everyones lives around my stupid shift patterns not to mention social life.

They are especially lucky on special occasions such as xmas day, mothers day, valentines day as I have to work but we get to spend extra time together after the day they sit around waiting for me as if they were to celebrate without me I would kick off and then the next day I shall take them out for 2 for 1 pub meals which they WILL enjoy whilst I slag off all the food and the service

I love to spoil the lady in my life by whisking her away on nice weekend breaks, its so romantic forcing her to go away with me, kicking off as it takes her so long to pack for herself and two kids stuff to grandparents, then shes knackered upon arrival but insist on christening the hotel room, having a sleep, christen it again, eat, try to christen it again, despite my ladies horrendous childbirth scars causing her obvious agony we have to continue the ritual until check out time The journey home is always a lovely slow relaxed drive where we can discuss the lovely events of the weekend talk dirty and review every shag in detail perhaps even stop on a country lane for a final shag, if any negative comments made from lady drive fast, shout until her ears bleed, and hit stirring wheel with fists occasionally try to throw her belongings out of high speed car window to teach her a lesson. This also applies to the satnav if it dares to tell me to take a u-turn

Everyone knows how well off and rich we are as my lady does not have to work, I support the whole family and they want for nothing I do not allow my lady to work so others think I am well off and excellent partner/father, I do not give her a penny and she has to list everything that she needs for the kids so I can go and buy it. She is not allowed my money and must buy all her stuff inc tampax on her own credit card When we are out as a couple everyone knows its my lady that wears the trousers in our relationship and rules the roost and gives me curfew times etc i tell everyone she is the boss to try and disguise that I am a violent nasty sex pest bully as if she were ever to tell anyone they would never ever believe it from her

OH MY GOD!!! I could go on all night but won't bore you!!!!!!!!!!!! This has been like therapy!!! Grin

MaggieMay05 · 16/10/2012 20:40

On a separate more serious note........our DC...Hilde and Pony I know my DD (age 3) will be exactly the same when we leave. Even now living in the same house when things are 'normal' some days when I just nip upstairs she cries to come with me and won't stay with FW. Some days refuses to even talk to him. When we go to stay at my parents for a couple of days she will refuse to talk on the phone to him sometimes. Of course FW turns it and accuses me of turning our DD against him (wtf!)........reality is she is not stupid and sees what a nasty piece of work he is to her mummy and doesn't like it or him at times. He turned her against him all my himself. Makes me Sad and just reinforces my decision to leave everytime I hear her wanting to cling to me. Hugs as is difficult x

bertiebassett · 16/10/2012 20:45

hilde my DS (4) also refuses to talk to his daddy on the phone. FW thinks that I don't 'encourage him' enough....

DS doesn't actually like to talking to anyone on the phone. FW regularly shouts and threatens DS as he doesn't want to talk to his GPs on the phone so you'd think the penny would have dropped...

We have got round this by me sending FW videos and photos of DS whenever we're away. FW also sends videos back of himself saying hello to DS. DS is much happier to watch a video of his daddy than talk to him poor love must realise that a video doesn't react in the same way as the real thing

Anyway...may be an idea for you?

ponygirlcurtis · 16/10/2012 20:46

Oh Maggie - you had me from: They are so lucky to have me as I am so full of shit hardworking...
That is v funny! That minxy satnav, sure it deserved all it got! It is quite therapeutic, isn't it?

But... he buys stuff on your own credit card???? So you're racking up debt? Can you get it stopped?

After the debacle earlier, which ended with NSDH texting 'Nice, hope you feel good about keeping DS2 away from me', but then retracted it minutes later saying he was 'frustrated' Hmm, NSDH has now texted apologising for all that happened earlier, saying he should never have questioned who I was meeting up with, begging for another chance, begging for us not to be over. (although I never said anything at all about us being over... paranoid much?) I've challenged him to actually tell me why I was upset and show some insight into his behaviour. We'll see what transpires.

ponygirlcurtis · 16/10/2012 20:52

bertie, I do like your idea of the videos, and why that helps your DS too. (beware of Skype tho, if you're not sure about his boundaries).

For my DS1, his Daddy isn't an EA swine, and even then it's not always plane-sailing. But, because DS1's dad isn't EA, he never insists, shouts or threatens regarding the phonecalls. He understands that it's about DS1, and it's ok, he'll speak to him next time. That's maybe something you have to build in, that because your FW is EA that he'll try and make it about him, when it should be about the kids.

bertiebassett · 16/10/2012 20:53

maggie exactly the same for me. DS very clingy. Always wants me rather than daddy to look after him.

It is getting better recently because I laid it on the line for FW...if you want your son to like you then you'll have to be nicer to him. However, it still drives FW crazy when DS wants me over him...he just can't see he has caused it. DS picks up on FWs behaviour towards me and it scares him...he tells me "I don't like it when daddy shouts at you" & "I don't like it when daddy makes you cry".

He's only 4 and he can tell that it's not just mummy and daddy having an argument...he can tell who the aggressor is and he knows he doesn't like it Sad

ponygirlcurtis · 16/10/2012 20:55

plain sailing, obviously. Stupid Wine.

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bertiebassett · 16/10/2012 21:00

pony that is exactly the right reaction though isn't it? My DM always says "oh never mind" when DS won't talk to her on the phone. I never try and make him talk to her either. It's definitely the best thing to do...she's the one he talks to the most because he doesn't get a hard time about it!

Does FW see this? Does he hell. He just shouts at DS saying "you talk to (berties) GP on the phone why won't you talk to my GP"....wanker

gottachangethename1 · 16/10/2012 21:58

So glad I found you ladies. My fw is abroad visiting his family & he is still able to e.a me by phone! For the benefit of his fa
ily (who are well aware is a total knob but are too frightened to challenge him) he told me how much I have made him suffer,by not having a baby. Having 4 miscarriages is no excuse. How i put everyone before him, don't know who cause he has isolated me from my lovely family & friends & how I have stopped hi
having the life he should have had, namely driving around in a lamborghini with a twenty something model & gambling ia casino somewhere exotic (yes,really). The great thing was I could put the phone down on him when he started shouting.he is stunned by my new found courage.should I play it down until I know what I plan to do long term? The more my self confidence grows,the angrier he gets.

MaggieMay05 · 16/10/2012 22:00

Just a quickie! Is anyone watching Jewish mum of the year? That Daniel dude seems like classic FW material. He is so rude and angry!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/10/2012 22:03

I will ask your opinion on everything for several reasons so that I look caring and considerate and so that I can blame everything that goes wrong on you as it was either your decision or you didn't try hard enough to change my mind and I can take credit for everything which goes right

yy! NSDH does that; I hate it, but I didn't see it properly till reading this just now!

Am I too late to try my own?

I am a very special person. I am utterly indispensable at work and have to muck around doing fun stuff on the computer work long and inconvenient hours especially if my family needs me.

My wife sometimes doesn't realise just how significant she is to me so I make sure to spend a little time with her every day and talk to her about work issues I'm facing so that the time isn't wasted.

My children are also useful little ornaments to make me look good my life. I spend a lot of time playing with them and generally being an all-round brilliant father whenever any of my friends or family are looking. I would love to spend more time with them like when there's no-one to impress but there's no-one to impress I'm just soo busy at work.

I love to entertain and when I'm waving goodbye to friends at the gate at the end of an evening, with my arm round my wife, then all feels right with the world. And once the cars have disappeared round the corner, I drop my arm from her shoulder and head into the house to spend more time with my true love my own wonderful self.

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