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does it ever work with a man who's 'Out Of Your League' in many aspects? (sorry, long)

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allchangeplease · 23/09/2012 18:35

I'm wondering how much does confidence matter in these situoations? If you had success with a man you (secretly) looked up to, was down to sheer confidence, or was it flattery admiration that worked?
A bit of a backstory. I've contacted this man on a dating site, I REALLY like everything he said, the photos (no Greek God but really appeals to me), he also (!) included a photo which was published in eligible bachelor section of a glossy albeit years ago Shock, though he doesn't look as good now - he made a funny comment about that, and if you are wondering, it wasn't that that made me interested, I noticed the fact later in his long intro. He is obviously talented, he is a publushed poet, he states that he is comfortable financially and I just love his sense of humour AND his voice recording. He sounds kind and not dull like so many online guys. He also does sound very confident behind the humour. I was like that Shock as normally I find very very few men online interesting and worth contacting and none so far compared for me. I know, I know, he may be an arsehole with issues in RL, as he never got married and he is approaching 50. But I want to meet him at least.
He hasn't replied to me first time round, so I wrote to him again Blush after listening to his voice once more, thinking that it was unusual for him not even to ask questions, even though I haven't ticked some of his 'potential partner' boxes, but normally men like my photos (nothing revealing or overtly sexy) and at least attempt some dialogue. I felt I wanted him even more as he is a challenge. He said he'd prefer a woman with English as home language while I'm foreign but spent all my grown up life here, he also said she needs to be in or near London when I'm not, though I do visit quite often. He also wants someone with a good stable social circle which really I don't have as i didn't study here and just have a few friends, not a 'network'. When i wrote to him i explained that I know I'm not 'perfect' and then asked him, the second time, whether he is sure he doesn't want to meet. He now replied with an auto reply that he will write to me when he subscribes. It's very easy to sunscribe so you can send mesages, if anything you can do so for a week for under 10 pounds, it's been two weeks since mu last message and a day or so since his reply. Obviously he is not that keen.
Do you think it's worth pursuaing or eve nmeeting if he does reply? He is a bit on a posh side with his speech and looks, I just worry that English guys like this are really snobsat heart and even if attracted to a woman, just wouldn't see her seriously as LTR partner material? He is not the only example of a man I'm attarcted to but don't 'push it' out of this lack of confidence/cynicism. I always hide the lack of confidence by playing cool if met with lujkewarm response, or with just physical interest, but deep down I want to be braver and try a pushy approach. Did this ever work for you, when yo knew that socially and possibly financially he is of higher status?
Is it worth it or not, as even if you gain his interest you may have to prove yourself for a long time to him and his friends etc.? I do admire Kate for being so thick skinned what with the sniggering from William's friends, before he proposed. Yes, it's nothing like as this 'high up' in my case but on a smaller scale still applies.
If it did work for you, do you think it's because he just liked you and you didn't actually put any effort i.e. luck of the draw, or did the efforts you made paid off, and any advice in this case? Is it justa case of being brazen and forgetting about all the issues?

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Punkatheart · 24/09/2012 00:12

Sooner or later someone here will probably sleep with my ex and we can roar with laughter about his horrendous feet, his bad teeth and complete inability to write poetry. So no - he's not your poet...but that would have been funny. If he is like Noel Coward he may not like women at all.

I also don't Internet date for the same reason I can't go to the dog pound. I would take the ugliest one who wagged his tail the most enthusiastically, rather than the cool handsome dog refusing to lick his balls in the corner...

izzyizin · 24/09/2012 00:13

Not forgetting the all-important:

Private income - on benefits/collects OA pension

Punkatheart · 24/09/2012 00:15

I do write, so thank you all. That's the only skill I have! But my poetry is howlingly bad. I admire poets and yes, I have had a secret desire to meet a poet....a kind and fascinating poet. In another life though....when I am well and there can be a future.

Offred · 24/09/2012 00:16

Ok but still can you not see how you are talking shit applying wildly different rules to yourself and the men online. It is ok for you to discriminate because of xyz, but he should give you a chance? Come on, either you are casual about it or you aren't.

LemonDrizzled · 24/09/2012 00:20

Aha that may be the clue OP. If he is a Noel Coward type poet he may actually be gay and that is why he still hasn't found a woman to suit him. So his rejecting your profile may well be nothing to do with your personality/background/geography at all.

Better luck with the next one!

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:23

I thought Offred I said that I always give a chance for those who sincerely write to me and make an efoort even if not ticking boxes - my boxes aer more flexible than many others'. I have to apply SOME age/kids/marital status/location criteria like everyone else, but say my location is within two hours from where i live not 5 miles, and I wouldn't rule out those who live further unless they insist on everyonme visiting them. What do you think I discriminate against? My 'education' box is anything goes for one, even though I've been to Uni etc. Hair coulour/no hair/ weight also flexible, apart from extremes, and income etc same. Age is also 25 yrs range. What else? if someone lists interests wildly different from mine and asks for similar person then obviously I do discriminate.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:26

Lemon, you know yo may be scarily right! the most weird thing is , he looks almost a spitting image of a gay friend of mine (not a close friend) who I really like, and I also thought that he is too imaginative in his profile for a regular man, but ten he is a poet so I thought maynbe I shouldn't worry. But thinking of a family by 50 does smack a bit of what you are saying! Oh God - it's a minefield, how would you know for sure even if you met??

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Offred · 24/09/2012 00:27

You said you exclude some based on photos. Also why does what you have as your bottom line have any bearing on what he should have as his. If he lives in London and you somewhere more provincial his 5 miles area probably contains a similar number to your 25mile one anyway. You don't get to dictate someone else's criteria whilst simultaneously having your own that you have decided is reasonable for you. His reasons are none of your business.

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:27

Punk, yes enthusiasm from a man is very pursuasive, I would always look twice at those. But it seems enthusiasm from a woman = stalking.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:29

Offred everyone excludes people who they don't like the look of, sorry. They don't have to be good looking but have to appeal to me. I well understand that i may be not everyone's type physically, to me though excuding just on social value or origin is unfair. Geography i can live with, if this is his main reason.

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Offred · 24/09/2012 00:31

It isn't enthusiasm this though, you should be wary playing the gender card here! You are obsessing over every tiny detail of his profile and messaging two times then posting on forums after no response for 1 day...

Offred · 24/09/2012 00:33

You miss the point. It isn't that you shouldn't be allowed to exclude people but that you are complaining the very small pool you will meet are not suitable and obsessing over someone you haven't met and feeling irked that you feel he should consider you even though he has been clear in stating you are not what he wants. Hypocrisy...

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:34

mine is 200 miles, not 25. As i say he didn't say 'non-negotiable' as far as location, but if that's his main reason then it's not upsetting as it's about convenience not discrimination as such. I also said many times that I would make exceptions if someone made a secial effort to engage and see how it goes. I'm not saying he must meet me, but feel sad if he doesn't ask questions, and anyway he may still message as he said, I will report if so.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:37

No, he didn't reply fpr two weeks, not one day. I was asking whether it's worth meeting him if he asks. I haven't mentioned all the details at all - his profile is very long.
My point is I'm nothing like as rigid in criteria, and neither are many men btw, as he is. My point is, he is still searching.

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Offred · 24/09/2012 00:37

But that is crazy if you "feel sad" if he doesn't message you when you are not what he said he wants. Read dolly's post again. Stop obsessing over him, stop complaining about not meeting someone when you have said you aren't prepared to regularly meet people and stop basing so much on profiles.

Offred · 24/09/2012 00:38

It is one day you said since he said he would reply on the auto thing but if it were two weeks why the hell is his profile even in your brain still?

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:38

sorry for repeat.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:40

After my first message it was two weeks, I started putting itout of my mind and met someone meanwhile, but he replied on friday with auto response so I was asking whether to meet if he does ask eventually, or not to meet as he's not looking keen what with slow subscribing?

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Offred · 24/09/2012 00:40

And FGS it is up to him not you how he "searches" he might like dating randomly and very infrequently, you don't get to decide who or how often he dates... Seriously, you are so crazy over this, I can't believe you are even going over his dating history like this!

Offred · 24/09/2012 00:42

What you asked originally wasn't that but if that is the new question then yes meet him if you like his profile because you can't get a sense of someone unless you meet them.

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:43

Oh well, someone new messaged me now, seems nice from first impression so will go and have a look. Still none the wiser whether to meet if that guy writes though. Consensus is 'no'/tosser/possibly gay even, it seems.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:44

where did I say I'm going over his dating history?? he said himself he met many people.

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Offred · 24/09/2012 00:45

I meant going over what it means in your mind...

allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:46

Offred i already met a couple of people within a month, that's regular enough for a start. You also don't decide how often is 'often enough'.

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allchangeplease · 24/09/2012 00:48

what aer you on about re his searches though? I don't care how he searches, he's not subscribed to message anyone anyway.
Let's just leave it until he either messages me or not and then I'll come back for advice.
Lemon and Punk, I take it you really think I shouldn't even meet him if asked. Maybe you are right. See what he says though.

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