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Huffy, illiterate men, scared of peas, it's a weird, weird dating world (No22)

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ChaoticismyLife · 11/09/2012 15:10

Oh, watch...you mentioned flowers Grin

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Lueji · 13/09/2012 08:21

Sponge, in that case make sure you stop every nice man with a dog and ask about the breed, as you're thinking of getting one.

But I agree with the other pp.
You should find a way of being happy by yourself, and if you have mild depression then ask the gp for help before it gets worse.

watchoutforthatsnail · 13/09/2012 08:38

The dog thing is a ruse, my old boy is almost 11. Thats a lot of dog walking years. And while ive talked to lots of people by boy has as yet to get me a date....

Sponge :(

Scattylatte · 13/09/2012 08:47

Yes and I spend a lot of time walking the most amazing looking dog...nada..oh except once a man waited for me at his garden gate. I got very excited but he wanted to show me his Labrador. Then my dog did a massive dump in front of him. It's how it goes.

Self help is a good idea. I'm in the process now.

KirstyWirsty · 13/09/2012 09:03

Sponge I think if you are depressed or needy this gives off vibes no matter how well you try to cover it up .. think how you would react to a date with a needy or depressed man??

Counsellors often work in the evenings so you wouldn't need to take time off of work - you should look into it

Think you need to be happy in your own skin and with your own company before being with someone else .. I am worried that you cry everyday - you have to get that rectified and if it means a couple of months of ADs then so be it!

hatesponge · 13/09/2012 09:08

I've spent 4 years being happy with my own company, more or less. Eventually you want something else. I never used to think that was too much to ask.

I cried on the way to work today. I have an appraisal this morning with my manager - who hates me - so I expect that will give me something else to feel sad about.

Yogagirl17 · 13/09/2012 09:10

sponge "And of course as soon as I venture back onto sites, and go through the endless cycle of contact-meet-rejection, I'll feel utterly shit again"

So don't venture back onto the sights again. Or at least don't plan to right now. Maybe the kind of man you're looking for just isn't on these sights. If you keep doing the same thing over and over and it's not working for you, then maybe it's time to try something completely different (I don't know what exactly, just saying). And yes, what everyone else said - look after yourself. Get some counselling if you can, or take up a hobby - lots of inexpensive council run yoga classes near me for example. Good for body & soul. Or the gym? Again, local council has a gym that's inexpensive pay-as-you-go rather than huge monthly fees.

Irish/American man - I just laughed when he said I was uptight. Pointed out that wasn't the best pick up line if he was so desperate to get me to go on a date with him. I don't tend to take comments like that from a virtual stranger too seriously!

Coffee Man - yes first date. 11:30 this morning. Thankfully shower is now working - woo hoo! And it's cold out so can go for the skinny jeans and boots look. Double woo hoo!

Re; the dog thing - I met a very cute man walking an even cuter puppy the other day. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure he's married.

hatesponge · 13/09/2012 09:19

I don't believe come across as depressed and needy in the slightest - if I did, I'm sure none of these men would meet me. Or make their excuses and leave quickly - man on Saturday spent 10 hours in my company, I'm sure if I was some clingy horror he'd have sodded off home far earlier.

Like with counselling I can't get to my GP without taking unpaid time off either :( The joy of having a job I hate which keeps me out of the house for 12 hours a day. I'm sure eventually I'll feel better. I always do, there isn't any alternative really.

KirstyWirsty · 13/09/2012 09:20

One of the things I noticed last night on an advert for Match.com surprised me .. it said 1 in 5 relationships started online..I was quite taken aback as I thought that was the only way to meet people nowadays but that is really only 20% .. 80% must meet in RL so no need to be on those dating sites

I wish I could come and give you a shake sponge you are so negative - I agreed with whoever said it yesterday - even your nickname comes over as negative ..

I'm sure there must be some good things in your life .. and if not what are you going to do to fix them? Change job if you don't like the people you work with, take up some hobbies - no one is going to do it for you .. you need to sort it and make positive things happen

You're a smart woman - what's holding you back???

Scattylatte · 13/09/2012 09:27

Sponge. You are definitely not a clingy horror.
One lesson I learned was that many, many men are not on a dating site to date. If we ran an experiment with the rest of us and we met your men, I reckon the outcome would probably be the same. I am convinced most are after a one night stand, if that. Many are just there to message.

Yogagirl17 · 13/09/2012 09:33

sponge "there isn't any alternative" - I"m sorry love, you must feel like you have so many people telling you what to do right now and it all just feels impossible. You may even feel like telling all of us to fuck off (in the nicest possible way) cause we just don't get it. And we probably don't. But there is always some alternative. There's always a choice. If you need to see your GP then you have to find a way to see your GP. Think about it - if you suddenly discovered a massive lump somewhere on your body, you'd find a way to get to your GP ASAP, wouldn't you? xx

snapespeare · 13/09/2012 09:33

yoga how's your hand? :) and I'm really excited about your date today!

sponge lovely sponge! I dont have anything to add to madameO & yoga's advice. Just to let you know that I'm thinking of you and that I'm very sorry that you're feeling so down. I hope you get through your appraisal OK and echo Kirsty's advice. I was very against Anti Deps before I finally buckled - I always thought I was tough enough to weather anything, but I felt so angry and sad and exhausted with life - I relaly found a short course did me wonders, alongside somecounselling and a good step back and reappraisal of how life was.

Scatty prof is firmly in fuck-buddy territory until either of us meets the OH of their dreams or in my case finally fucking does something about PM suspose we will see each other every couple of weeks or so for a shag. it's nice, i feel beautiful and sexy and thats a HUGE transformation from my usual 'god-i'm-hideous' mind-frame. Amazing what a couple of hours of naked appreciation can do.

I am now planning the 'enchant-the-lesbians' dress. i need something leggy and fucking sensational. off to ebay with me! We're going to a Cuban themed bar with dancing! I love dancing!

snapespeare · 13/09/2012 09:35

also love-sponge (thats your new name.) I found this book very very helpful for some clarity when i was feeling very low and I hate the self-help industry.

Lueji · 13/09/2012 09:42

Many people who are depressed don't come across as depressed.
It's the typical crying clown.

If there is something, though it's possible these men pick up on it at some point. Even if they don't realise.

Having a bad job is not helpful, either.

Why don't you concentrate for a while is sorting that area and move to something else?
Even a hobby might become a career.

Yogagirl17 · 13/09/2012 09:48

snape - hand is still a bit sore but ok thanks. Better get dressed or I'll end up meeting for coffee in my dressing gown (and I wasn't planning on it being that kind of date! Grin)

DoingItForMyself · 13/09/2012 09:55

Scatty I've actually hidden my POF profile so I don't get messages from random freaks, but I can contact people I like and then they get to see my profile. I feel more in control of it this way. I have sent a few flirts and then you can tell if they have looked at your profile and ruled you out, or I might get a generic "hello how are you?" back, which I ignore as its so unimaginative.

The guy I went out with at the weekend I messaged to say he sounded fun and had a lovely smile and was he going to a local meet-up. He replied he wasn't thinking of it but perhaps he should and eventually we worked it into meeting up.

It was me asking about the 3 day rule, as it was Sunday we went out, had fun, got on really well, but still nothing from him. I know he had a busy week as we had to rearrange 3 times to come up with Sunday! And he knows I'm away this weekend, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but beginning to think that may have been it :-( Even so, I had a lovely time and its his loss because I am fabulous and apparently give the best blow jobs in the world!

DoingItForMyself · 13/09/2012 09:57

(not to him I must add - I'm not that fast! Several previous BFs have mentioned my prowess!)

MadameOvary · 13/09/2012 10:33

Gah. I wrote a long post and then my laptop restarted. Bloody updates!
It was basically saying that Scatty makes a good point re men just after a one-night stand and lacking the balls to be honest about it.

They probably aren't interested in a relationship, so they don't bother to look beyond the facade of an attractive woman who's up for sex. Even the ones who are not immediately after a shag have a their own issues going on. It's been interesting to have dates where the men obviously found me attractive to look at (or so they said) but I didn't have what they were looking for in a partner. Bruising to the ego as that was, I can't ultimately take it personally. People are complex creatures and everyone's needs are different when you get down to it.

Sure you have the basic needs but some men want to be mothered, some men want someone independent, some men want quiet types, some men want loud, some want intellectual, some are happier with the opposite. There are a million different characteristics and combinations that men look for, and many of those will be unconscious, due to social conditioning or whatever.

We cannot tell what they are and we cannot beat ourselves up because we haven't possessed the peculiar appeal to warrant a second date. It's not us.

It's true I have a slightly different perspective, having been in an abusive relationship for several years, I think that years of singledom is not actually that bad in comparison, but then I've had to build my self-esteem back up from nothing so I would think that.

Sponge it probably wont help to say that you've probably been spared a lot of very dull second dates and average sex, but it's probably true. You won't believe how much perceptions can change between the first and second. Once Pottery Boy and I had agreed to be friends and I met him a couple of times socially, I was very glad he hadn't wanted to take things further.

mercury7 · 13/09/2012 10:50

madame o what you say is true but i dont ever even speculate about the various things that a man might want from a woman.
If he's not interested enough in me to want to make a connection then he's water under the bridge:)

i dont want to waste my energy or make myself feel bad by wanting something that isnt going to happen.

hatesponge · 13/09/2012 11:53

Work appraisal successfully completed :) I might hate my job but I am actually very good at it. So at least that's one positive for today. Small things & all that.

Still wish the guy from Saturday would have given me a reason he wasnt going to see me again, rather than suggesting even yesterday that he was. But of course I don't expect that to happen. Do I think it's me? No, not at all. I know how amazing I am, I wouldn't have got through everything I have in the past otherwise. I know that he thought I was amazing too. Maybe he isn't looking for, or ready for a relationship. Maybe he felt uncomfortable with being in a much worse financial position than me. I'd just like a reason of some kind, easier to draw a line that way. But I doubt I'll get one.

snapespeare · 13/09/2012 12:05

glad appraisal went well love-sponge :) it's not a small positive though is it? you really seem in a negative tailspin just now. :( Can I offer some points? Do tell me to fuck right off, I can take it. :)

  1. supplements - st johns wort, Q10 and berocca. if your brain is being a bit fuzzy, distract it by giving your body some care.

  2. eat properly. really. simple food, no microwave ready-meal for ones. make it from scratch, take time over it and lay a table and eatit on your nicest plates. in fact if you can buy a nice single set of crcokery. just for you. :)

  3. I now we keep banging on about the gym and that takes a huge level of motivation and comittment. Even a walk at lunchtime while thinking about this type of new age mumbo-jumbo has helped me such a lot.

  4. Kill whatever dating profiles remain! liberating!

  5. GP visit please. Thank you.

  6. name change and off to 'mental health' topic with you! Obviously stay here and talk to us, but you may find support. (If you get those fuck-awful, catty, bollocksy, comments like that thread, then it's only the internet! they know nothing!)

  7. much love!

OhWesternWind · 13/09/2012 12:08

Sponge - great news about the appraisal. I am spending too much time at work too and I'm looking for ways to reduce my hours. Fingers crossed something will work out soon and I'll be able to have more time to myself/with the children.

Have got another bloke wanting to take me out for a meal - not sure as I will probably slop it all down my front. Also, a meal lasts too long if things are going badly. Need to seamlessly convert this into a quick drink for starters. Not sure he's my type as he's a bit trendy for me but he seems nice so far . . .

Have found and messaged and had response from very sexy vet - think he is just out for a bit of fun but I would have fun with him any time!! (Well, maybe - need some more Snape vibes here).

snapespeare · 13/09/2012 12:08

oh and you will never know why. you just wont. even if you ask (no, dont!) then you'll get a bunch of stupid lies anyway. Just accept that you wont know. draw your own line and dont give a rats arse as to his 'reason' or lack of.

I need dress help. I dont want to go to style and beauty. they'll eat me. I need the dating thread to find me a fuck-me-of-a-dress.

mercury7 · 13/09/2012 12:11

but Sponge, he seems to lack the good grace to deal tactfully with the situation.
Why would you even care about the motives of someone who doesnt behave in a mature and responsible way?

watchoutforthatsnail · 13/09/2012 12:35

Snape, you need something thats Christina Herrickd crossed with Helena Bonham Carter....
Quirky, cool but sexy and knows it :)
And what about heel less shoes?

Yoga, how was the date?

hatesponge · 13/09/2012 12:40

Snape thank you :) I have bought your book recommendation on Amazon btw, cheaper than unpaid time off for counselling - and might help. I've already done no. 4 on your list, and will try no 2. tonight (I can't remember the last time I cooked a proper meal for myself Blush). the rest of it has to remain a work in progress for now.

Western hope you manage to resolve your work situ. With me it's not just the hours, the 3 hour round trip commute is the killer. But I can't change my journey, and if I reduce my hours I have less money, so I just have to muddle on through somehow :)

And yes I know I shouldn't want or need a reason, I just do. It's the way my mind works. But I know I won't get one. And I know it's his loss. But it doesn't stop me being sad about it again.

Snape, I will try and look at dresses for you later - in the meantime this is v similar to my dress for next week's black tie do though mine is nicer Grin

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