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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BibiBlocksberg · 17/09/2012 21:47

Hello amazing battlers, haven't been on here in ages but suddenly compelled to post tonight.

21 months after I left my last EA relationship on and still I lurk and nod in recognition and admire all who are still figting for freedom.

I realised this week just how much your own self can be squashed and suppressed and beaten down over years and years of these FW's crap when I was invited to a work event.

This time last year the thought of actually accepting the invitation and going filled me with so much dread and horror that I turned it down flat.

Now, I said yes without batting an eyelid, even looking forward to it.

Went clothes shopping this evening and for the first time noted the absence of the critical voice of twat ex - instead of hearing sneering at everthing it's just me deciding if something is nice/pretty etc.

In the words of Bridget Jones 'I'll always be just a little bit fat' but ex always made me feel that I should be some six foot amazonion model dressed in designer labels shopping for clothes has been a nightmare for years. When my actual shape and his image of what I should be never matched, coupled with subtle dig dig digs on every item of clothing I ever bought, it's little wonder.

All this ramble just to say that I never realised how much he affected me and for how long.

Now I'm sitting listening to a lovely violin concert with a cup of herbal tea and the cat on my lap and I'm still very happy to finally have room to discover me.

Never knew I had quite such 'tame' tastes in life though :)

Keep going, keep fighting to get out, it's worth it and don't underestimate the toll it's taking on your souls to carry on entertaining the demands of these knob heads.

Ticket to the far side of fick for all of them from me!

Aspiemum2 · 17/09/2012 22:05

You are so right about simple tastes, my dd was 5 when I left twatface and one day she asked for a yoghurt and I was able to say "help yourself" she looked so delighted and after she'd chosen one she strutted over to the table and went "I LOVE this house".
It made me cry, such a simple moment but it was the first time she'd been allowed in the kitchen

It's only once you get out that you realise the true extent of the controlling behaviour

Aspiemum2 · 17/09/2012 22:07

Just rereading what you put, was your ex a Greek god? Mine wasn't that's for sure but like yours he was always sure to point out my flaws, he apparently doesn't have any!Confused

newbeteacher · 17/09/2012 22:11

Marking place

Hugs everyone & hi to new posters this thread keeps me sain
Xxxx

bertiebassett · 17/09/2012 22:26

Eeek! I told solicitor to start divorce proceedings today. I was waiting for him to move out first but as he shows no signs of doing that...well I just thought I'd carry on as planned.

Do you think I'm crazy? He won't be very happy when he gets the letter....

TheSilverPussycat · 17/09/2012 22:33

Well done you! Mine was OK when the petition arrived (I had to ask if it had) but nevertheless as he had become an unknown quantity I made sure I had somewhere safe to escape to if necessary.

He was nasty every time I did something towards my freedom - I cancelled his NI direct debit from our joint account after giving him 24 hours to do it himself, took him off my Barclaycard etc, but all that did was to confirm I was doing the right thing.

tryingtoescape · 17/09/2012 23:01

wow bertie well done! I am impressed. I'm seeing solicitor tomorrow - last appt was the freebie half hour ages ago, he told me to come back and place all in his hands when I was ready. And now I am going back... don't know how ready or brave I am but the fact remains I am going there tomorrow, another baby step on road to freedom.

pony thanks for kind words and for affirming what I thought. I think also links into what you were saying, silver about not being acknowledged, even by a grunt ? this happens to me a lot, all the time in fact. Then when I repeat he will continue to ignore or suddenly shout, ?I can effing hear you, I nodded/said yes?, or some other crappy lie. I am interested this can be cited, as it?s just one of the many millions of things which I take as day to day normal, like the spider thing. I had better make a list for the solicitor tomorrow.

Silver and Pony - that really made me think, what you said about the place triggering cycle of abuse. I was wavering between trying to stay in house and get FW out (God knows how though, he?s a much tougher opponent than me, obviously or I wouldn?t be in this position!) or moving with family. You did this as a trial separation, did you pony? I can?t see FW ?letting? me do that, I think I?d have to do a runner to be honest then see how the cookie crumbles (or the nuclear explosion falls out [scared emoticon])

Good luck with cleansing cleaning, Silver!

Nini hope you?re ok, not surprising your immune system is down after all that.

Bibi I am inspired and delighted by your post. I?m so glad for you and everything you say about snidey comments rings true for me too.

Aspi, gosh that yoghurt story really resonates and made me see another flash of perception that this thread brings in daily doses ? yes the fw at this end controls kids? food and always has some bloody rule in place. I love it when he?s not around, I love saying yes to the kids without looking over my shoulder.

tryingtoescape · 17/09/2012 23:52

Have just assembled some notes from my private recording blog to show to solicitor. I am sickened seeing it all in one go. What am I thinking, allowing kids to remain in this sick situation. Sad so shocked.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/09/2012 10:27

Some of you might remember my stress over the big exam I took at the beginning of July. I got the result today. I failed. As if life couldn't get any worse right now.

onesixonetwo · 18/09/2012 10:44

Counselling tonight.
I wrote down everything I need to mention but Im looking at it now and as the day wears on Im increasingly frightened to say those things.
Why? Grrr.Im so cross with myself for it.

Anyone got any strength they can share?

LemonDrizzled · 18/09/2012 10:56

Nini sorry about your exam. You will find it easier to study and concentrate once you stop having to pussyfoot around the FWH and his moods. First concentrate on getting out and safe!

1612 What is the worst that can happen if you say "those things"? The counsellor recognises you are in an abusive relationship and refuses to see you together? Or FWH kicks off during or after and you realise (as we keep telling you) that joint counselling with an Abuser doesn't help? Do you think he might become violent? Might you need to leave in a hurry?

You have nothing to lose by saying what is on your mind. If he turns it round on you and you end up with spaghetti head mess blaming yourself and feeling like shit then you will accept the situation is not fixable with counselling. If it accelerates the end of your relationship by bringing it out in the open then that is good (but painful and scary). And perhaps, just a tiny glimmer of possibility, that he holds his hands up and say "yes I did those things I am treating you badly and I am sorry I really don't want to be that person".

Be brave! Nothing can be as bad as staying where you are now in a painful situation with no remedy in sight. We will all be rooting for you. Mumsnet is at your elbow urging you on.

LemonDrizzled · 18/09/2012 11:28

Oh Aspie hello and welcome, and to Mulligan as well. Sorry you need to be here.

The whole "annexing friends" thing is aggravating. My FXexH put on a round of lovely dinner parties after I left 2 years ago and invited my friends and their DHs. They were politely pleased and puzzled and even more surprised to meet his new GF!! It was all very sophisticated and intellectual (which he always lamented I was not). I have learned to shrug and laugh while nosily trying to find out more details and enjoy my kind of evening with a takeaway/BBQ and lots of some wine/beer and laughter.

Ii think it is an attempt to "win them" as of course life is a competition and he is SO much better than me in every way. And why would I leave his loveliness if I wasn't completely mad?

lostmywellies · 18/09/2012 11:59

Nini :( Sorry to hear that.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/09/2012 14:39

bertie - well done on getting things going. How are you feeling about it all now that it's in motion?

trying - I did a runner too. I just left one day with the baby once DS1 was at school, following months of thinking about it and doing nothing. I too kept reading over my private journal and being so angry with myself for not getting out. My advice is do not ask if you can have a trial separation. If your FW is anything like mine, he'll refuse to leave himself, and you're right, will make it very difficult for you to leave. So don't ask, just do it. Leave and then see how the land lies - I half expected my NSDH to come and trash my car at my parents' house, so I was expecting the nuclear explosion too.

Nini, I'm so, so sorry to hear about your exam. I can imagine you're feeling pretty rubbish at the moment. But Lemon is right, you had so much to deal with at home, so much on your mind, and no let up from your FW to give you enough space (physically or emotionally) to study and concentrate on this. Can you take it again?

onesix, this is your chance to say what you feel. Grab it with both hands, you deserve to be heard. If you don't say what you want to because of the fear, chances are you'll regret it. If you do say what you want to, Lemon's right (again!! Grin) that the worst things that will happen are not too scary and maybe have to be faced at some point anyway - unless your FW kicks off later, that's obviously bad, but you're afraid of that all the time right now anyway, so it's not really any different, and at least you'll have done something for yourself.

newbeteacher · 18/09/2012 15:09

nini I'm sorry to hear about exam. I've just resubmitted my final essay again because I'd failed due to all the stress.

trying daily perception being on this thread is so true for me right now. I seem to take 1 step forward & 5 back because everyday brings a trigger for a past event. Seem to be having daily meltdowns since the kids have gone back to school.

Fuckwit usually would not acknowledge me by silence. I would talk to him he would ignore me.

My 17 yr old DS ran away 2 years because of fuckwit ( I know realise) but has now come home to his mummy xxx

LemonDrizzled · 18/09/2012 15:20

Oh and welcome home your royal highness Lady Bibi of Blocksberg
Glad your partying skills have recovered!

Your ticketing skills are much needed here as there are many FWs who just don't understand they have a one-way journey to make imminently to the FSOF. Could you bring your sharpest cattle prod with your ticket machine? We can post the train timetable up on the board.

How are the cats?

bertiebassett · 18/09/2012 18:21

Hello all new posters Smile sorry that you're here though...it's shocking that there's so many of us on this thread.

nini such a shame about your exam Sad but please don't let it get you down. Exams are such fickle ways of testing knowledge. Just hoops to jump though...but you never know how high you'll have to jump. I'm sure you'll sail through next time xxx

pony & silver thanks for your messages. I'm feeling a bit scared TBH. I told FWSTBXH two months ago that I'm going to divorce him so it shouldn't be a surprise when he gets the letter. However, he never listens to anything I say, or takes it seriously even if I write it down so no doubt he'll act devastated. It'll be as if he had no warning and it's completely out of the blue...

tryingtoescape · 18/09/2012 19:00

Nini I am so so sorry for your sadness and disappointment. It is definitely not a reflection of your excelllent talent and skills, it is purely because you are being head fucked so badly by fw. You are a strong, brave lady, a great mum and very brave to sit any exam in these extreme circs - I am in awe that you did that. You will sail through them when you are not being messed with, demeaned, soul destroyed, feeling miserable etc. hugs xxxx

tryingtoescape · 18/09/2012 19:08

Bertie you may be feeling scared, but you are doing such a great thing, well done, good for you. Yes, they act amazed when we try and escape, however many warnings they have. lemon put is so well - all of us lot are at your elbow encouraging you along!

Newbe I am so glad your ds came home to mum xxx for you and him, bless.

Pony thanks so much for insight into how you did it (escaped). Did an explosion kick off after your flight or was it less terrifying than you expected? How did you put it to him once you'd gone? I hope you don't min d me asking.

onesix good luck with getting your feelings and views out in the open; it will make you feel better and empowered even if it doesn't make your OH dehave differently.

Lemon and bibi what's the FSOF? It sounds wonderful whatever it is!

tryingtoescape · 18/09/2012 19:15

Needed to share something. On hols, FW said to me you are really hoovering (eating a lot) at mo (second time he said this, in front of dcs too) since medicine you are really going for it. I replied that is v rude and I am just glad I don't have a tumour as I thought in hospital and if my body has increased appetite with meds then so be it thank god I'm healthy and you should feel that too, not sit there making derogatory and judgmental comments. He replied God I thought I was being caring by letting you know! I told fw, no I stupidly let you know there is poss of increased appetite with meds and thus gave you a weakness which you're exploiting. He said again God I don't know what you are getting so upset about. I said after that long night in hospital I have realised my health is important. You sound like you feel my appetite or size are an issue- both normal incidentally. Forced into corner by my unexpected self defence he have a kind of 'god alright I'm sorry' apology- sub text I am unreasonable and over reacting. I said thank you, apology accepted and now we can forget it. He continued to exclaim how he couldn't believe how sensitive I was being while I kept saying (in irritatingly reasonable voice Grin), no I am fine thanks for apology it's over now as far as I'm concerned. FWittery at its finest, eh??

Notsogoodhousekeeping · 18/09/2012 19:17

Nini just wanted to echo what the others have said - circumstances conspired against you this time, but that won't always be the case. ((((((hugs)))))))

From not seeing FWEx at all since our split, I've seen him three times in the past week. All three times he was in his van and only once did he see me. He then texted me (I'd told my workmate and said "I bet he texts me") saying hello how are you not seen you since we split blah blah so I replied saying hello am fine hope you are too (FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF). Drove past him at the petrol station this morning when he was filling his van and got a good look at him; he looks exactly the same, I still fancy him, and it just made me feel a bit sad that he just didn't give a fuck about me, really. I just don't get why you'd be with someone who causes you so much displeasure. I guess he liked the fact that I was smitten with him and it gave him power over someone.

It also reminded me of yet another time when he shouted at me completely unnecessarily. So I shouted a few choice expletives in his general direction and carried on.

arthriticfingers · 18/09/2012 19:34

Great to see you again Bibi :)
I only heard about your tickets after the event. Oh how I wish someone had issued FW one many many years ago.
Well done Bertie!!!!!!! I know how it feels. You are so going in the right direction. One foot after another and don't look back.
To all, I have spent the last few days going through The Freedom Programme online.
www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/
It is utterly fantastic. It is like St Lundy, but with the gloves off.!
Lemon the 'new girlfriend' is there in the programme - in all the glory FW invest in their doings.
Everyone - Join!

cantfindamnnickname · 18/09/2012 19:35

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1550402-is-my-marriage-over

hello everyone
I go between I have been controlled to no Im not its in my imagination. I cant believe I find myself even considering this to be honest.

I am leaving - Im praying my mortgage goes through so I can leave - if not I will have to rent but I dont want to do this

newbeteacher · 18/09/2012 19:53

Hi Bibi just re read your post & thanks. I'm just beginning to realise how much FW's EA has taking it's toll on my soul. The kids have gone back to school and I can only assume that because I needed to hold it together for the kids I am now having a total meltdown xx

newbeteacher · 18/09/2012 20:04

OMG just been reading some of the 'red flags' thread seriously beginning to think we have all been married to the same man!!!!