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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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AnastasiaSteele · 02/10/2012 13:52

Well done hilde

As for your FW, be prepared for a curve ball - you can never second guess their thinking. Could be any combination of those scenarios.

I think telling your parents would be a good thing. How close are you? Are they emaily? I must admit while I know face to face/phone is better really, that emails allow you to document everything and prepare them. I don't think it would be bad if they are emailey and if you make it clear the doors for communication are now open, explain you wanted to prepare them etc and then speak to them.

Hope you're ok anyway.

ontheparapet · 02/10/2012 14:10

"All I want is a relationship where we both respect each others views, can talk to each other about anything, we feel valued and loved. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask?"

Littlemiss that is all I want, too, and I have told him so many times. He used to say "You are loved" but hasn't said that in a long while now. Ho hum.

littlemisssunny · 02/10/2012 14:11

I can totally relate to the spaghetti head thing, in fact I think I have enough spaghetti in my head to feed Italy!

Hilde I can understand how you are worried about telling your parents, and emailing is a good way to write it all down and you can look at it and rewrite it if necessary, and then you know you have covered everything you want to say. I think your parents would rather you tell them like this than not at all. Good luck I hope you can find a way to tell them, and any extra support you can get from them won't be a bad thing.

I really want to tell my parents, they know I am not happy, but when I try and bring it up, they say no marriage is perfect etc, I think if they knew how I trully felt and if they thought it was abusive they might think differently. But I find it so hard to express my feeling, and how do you even start a conversation like that? I am going to stay with them at half term with the children, and I really want to tell them then, just so they are aware of what is happening, and then when I do find the strength to leave him I don't find I have to justify it to them? I know everyone can moan about their marriage, but I want them to understand its not just one thing.

AnastasiaSteele · 02/10/2012 14:23

Maybe you can show some of links here? The thing with parents is that sometimes they just want to file you away as settled and happy so you aren't on their list of things to worry about. It's likely if they have a healthy or traditional relationship that they have no concept of what you've been going through. You know marriage is about compromise - but what you've been dealing with isn't accepting manky toenails and teabags in the sink. It's brought you here. Once they know what has happened they will be supportive I hope. I also think committing it to other people makes you do it yourself. My best friend has been wanting me to go to the DV partnership for ages and I know she's worried I won't go tomorrow. But I will. I've told her I will, so i will.

MaggieMay05 · 02/10/2012 15:16

The parents issue is hard isn't it....mine know I'm not happy however my mum continues to tell me that we have been through so much together and not to throw it all away. She doesn't know the half of it and just don't feel ready to tell her.

FW is off work until next monday-god help me. He has already shouted his head off at me today because our 3 year old spilled a little bit of her yoghurt on her table. Arsehole bully.

I tried to bring up the conversation of the kids needing new clothes, so he says we have to go shopping together as I still can't be trusted with his money and need to rebuild his trust and until then he needs to monitor me. WTF?!!!

Re the therapy issue, I really dont want to do it together as I know he will bring up stuff about housework etc etc and try and turn it all on me but on the other hand if he goes alone how do I know he has actually gone and also how will they know the full extent of his controlling/bullying if I'm not there to tell them and stick up for myself and explain why I don't do certain things around the house? Cooking for starters-i refuse to cook now as he is a chef and anything I cook at home is given marks out of ten or whilst I'm cooking it I'm completely put down with nasty remarks etc but know he will just tell them I'm lazy :-/

AnastasiaSteele · 02/10/2012 15:32

Cooking for starters-i refuse to cook now as he is a chef and anything I cook at home is given marks out of ten or whilst I'm cooking it I'm completely put down with nasty remarks etc but know he will just tell them I'm lazy :-/

!!!! I want to call him a c* for that, but he's not good enough for that. That's awful. 'Mine' also does that regarding meals. Yet he's never cooked for me.

I suppose you'll know if he's gone alone, you'd start seeing some changes in time. I think couples counselling is impossible with one of these types. If he can't recognise his need to change, and genuinely thinks you're in the wrong, then it sounds like a none starter. He will be all wiley and stitch you up. But yes if he goes alone, he'll rewrite history. I can see the dilemma.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 02/10/2012 16:35

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MrsOscarPistorius · 02/10/2012 16:40

hilde well done, does it make it seem more real now?

signing off for now got to go home and face the music, wish me luck...

MaggieMay05 · 02/10/2012 16:52

Well done Hilde wish I had your courage xx hope they understand and give you the support you need, thinking of you x

ladygoingGaga · 02/10/2012 17:48

Evening everyone,
I spent several hours making my DS's new bed today, without any help, feel quite proud Grin
However also spent day worrying about FW reaction, has anyone got any tips on how to detatch from them??

FW just came home from work, grumpy as ever, but basically fall out from me not telling him about the bed.
I found out today there is no feasible way I can afford to buy him out of the house, his reply was he may move out and only pay half the mortgage.

He knows I would really struggle with all the bills and half the mortgage on my own Sad
Another thing to worry about, I have no idea if it is even remotely true or not.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 02/10/2012 17:58

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LemonDrizzled · 02/10/2012 18:03

Well done with the bed assembly Gaga it is satisfying to complete these tasks isn't it?

You need some professional advice. Have you seen a solicitor for half an hour of free advice yet? That would help you understand your position. Then CAB could tell you about benefits or you could look on entitledto which people always recommend on here. Don't forget he has an obligation to provide for his children until they leave education.

Re the detaching - imagine you are watching a video of your life with him and observe how he speaks to you. Look out for the traits of an abuser and tick them off in your head as you spot them (Abuser Bingo!) Try not to respond but just nod and say something soothing like "I'm sorry you think that" or "Yes dear".
Maybe keep a diary to note them down later as you will need that to remind you when he is hoovering you by being nice again.

And keep posting! We know how frustrating it all is.

LemonDrizzled · 02/10/2012 18:04

Yay for you and your lovely car Hilde

It is great to see how far you have travelled already since you started posting on this thread. Newcomers take heart! Hilde was very fragile when she arrived here and now she kicks ass!!

ladygoingGaga · 02/10/2012 19:36

Abuser bingo sounds a great way of making light of thing! Will give it a go, thanks lemon Smile
It's just another day on the roller coaster, fab when I saw my DS face when he saw his new bed, [ sad] when I realised I couldn't buy FW out.

I just do one day at a time, house is still on the market so that elusive buyer may be round the corner.
I have sought advice and we are stuck til house sells basically.

hilde yeah for the new car c max is lovely Smile I know the spaghetti head feeling, they know just how to do it don't they, nice one minute, horrible the next, keeps you second guessing and dreading the moods.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 02/10/2012 20:27

Wow thie thread is moving faster than I can keep up right now!

My hand has been hurting me all day. Can't remember exactly what the dream was about Curtis but someone was attacking me and cut my hand. That's all I remember but the pain was very real. Other times lately I've had someone hurting me in my dream and woken feeling in pain.

My personal counsellor was lovely today. She feels that we need long term counselling from Relate as a couple, and is trying to arrange for me to have longer term counselling through her at work too. It's nice to have someone to talk to.

Great news about the car hilde Smile. Stay strong everyone.

bertiebassett · 02/10/2012 21:04

Oh bugger I just lost it with FW....shouted at him, told him to leave me alone, asked him why he was still living here....all in front of DS...

I have no doubt that this will be held against me at some point in the future. Fuck.

BibiBlocksberg · 02/10/2012 21:40

Congratulations on the new car Hilde (10 years newer than mine, jealous much? :))

bertie - I want to applaud your 'outburst' - i had similar one night when I'd just had enough and asked FW what he was still doing in the house and to just FFS GO!

Felt like the most evil witch on earth saying that but ultimately helped to ram the message home (since he finally buggered off back to his mummy that very night)

No doubt you're right and he will try and make you pay for your 'audacity'

Bullies like him are often too stunned by the proverbial worm turning so don't end up doing much of anything (other than whining about how 'nasty' you are I mean)

Hope I'm right - keep going, you're doing so well, not much longer before we'll be reading about your new peaceful life without the idiot, I'm sure!

ladygoingGaga · 02/10/2012 21:49

bertie sounds to me that you just stood up for yourself, nothing wrong with that at all.
In fact it might make him realise that you are stronger than he thought.

TheSilverPussycat · 02/10/2012 22:14

Yes, I've done the same in the past bertie, there is only so long I could keep a lid on it.

bertiebassett · 02/10/2012 22:15

Oh bibi it would be nice if it's rammed the message home but I don't think so Sad

lady thanks Smile

All this came about tonight because I'd decided that I wasn't going to wash his clothes any more (nor expect him to wash mine). It's just necessary procedure for divorcing when living in the same house. We haven't been shopping, cooking or eating together since March. We haven't shared a bed since December. The washing thing was just the final step as I've now started divorce proceedings.

He knew all this. However he went off on a rant about how, jn that case, he no longer wished to touch my clothes so could I please make sure they did not cross his path. And how he now wanted a separate rack for himself in the dishwasher and that he would now label his tea bags...(individually do you think?!)

Anyway I lost it with him. He's such a twat. He tried to make up for it afterwards by offering to pay towards Dcats vet bills...I declined...it was nice of him but I'd much rather he saved the money and MOVED THE FUCK OUT

alsonamechanged · 02/10/2012 22:23

Hi all, hmm counsellor cancelled appt today, says she couldn't book a room to do it at the place she normally does it, so we have tentatively agreed on Thursday for now. I took my 3rd driving test and failed again. Oh well.. now that... I did some serious thinking about it all day yesterday and today. I don't want to waste all the money I've put into it so I'm just gonna carry on. I am a bit of a plonker on the road,that I know. Today I failed for not checking before crossing unmarked crossroads, cutting someone off at a junction, not doing enough checks during my manouvre (3 pt turn) and driving in a bus lane... I think I will get better as time goes, but obviously going to take some time and many attempts at the test!

I'm a bit perplexed at the initials used here on this thread.. what does FW stand for??

pistorius That sounds like my man. Sometimes I think it's sad he doesn't even realise he is EAing..and he doesn't want to know. I r3alise there's no point dragging him to couples counselling. He's got to want that change in him. But I think I know him well enough to say that he's is a stubborn, head in the sand sort of person and there's more chance of making pigs fly than for him to seek counselling.

My husband and I didn't exchange much words today. Normally I'm the chatty one but I am not going to engage with him anymore unless necessary. Last night, after the kids had gone to bed, we did not exchange a single word. Nada. And then finally when he went to bed he said Goodnight to me and I said it back. I was busy doing an assignment (and FBing etc.)... lol Anyway he is ... hmm.. okay today. Almost. Did get on my nerves a bit when he was trying to subtly make fun of something I said whilst chatting with the kids by mimicking some term I mentioned in a stupid voice - oh doesn't he always... but I told myself each time not to react or say anything and just forgive him for being an ass. And just focus on the conversation with the kids and blot his inanity out of it. Hah!

I found the Drirene.com site very useful in helping me identify EA traits. Have you had a look at it littlemiss? Sometimes EA can be really insidious. The criticisms .. I think is a warning. If you find yourself often feeling put down for your efforts, then that's a sign of EA.

Hilde well done for taking that next step. Good luck with it! I am not at that stage because I am not yet able to be independent yet... my confidence is shot, not just due to EA but to years and years of childhood abuse. It has never been fixed, just hidden but now it's really starting to bug me how dependent I am on DH and how he's totally using it to his ends - i.e. persisting with the EA even though I am assertive to him... because he knows I can't survive on my own yet. And I know that. But hopefully, one day I'll be able to get a job, hold down that job, and be independent... and then... there's that trip to the solicitors...

alsonamechanged · 02/10/2012 22:26

bertie your dh does sound twattish. Does he want to use masking tape to tape down his "boundary lines" then... why not go buy his own small tub of butter and label it too so you can't use it?!

littlemisssunny · 02/10/2012 22:30

Hi again, been in work doing some overtime as they are having a move around to fit all the seasonal stock in, thought I would have a nosy before I go to bed.

Haven't had chance to look at any more websites yet, shall try to have a l

littlemisssunny · 02/10/2012 22:36

Hi again, been in work doing some overtime as they are having a move around to fit all the seasonal stock in, thought I would have a nosy before I go to bed.

Haven't had chance to look at any more websites yet, shall try to have a look tomorrow.

He came home from work just before I left full of the joys of spring, in such a good mood, so I start to doubt myself again! I think I finally realise though that something isn't right, and I need to go for counselling on my own. At least this way I can discuss things and get the thoughts clear I'm my head, then take things from there.

I feel scared of what is to come, but also a bit relieved that I think I have finally worked out what is wrong with this marriage.

Thank you all do much for your advice, I truly appreciate it, it's so nice to talk to people who understand me.

I shall be back tomorrow hopefully having read some of the websites!

tryingtoescape · 02/10/2012 22:36

Hi all,

Hilde well done on new car, yay!

Agree with everyone re spag head, feeling demeaned etc, it does make me stick to my guns coming on here all the time. I have decided to change solicitors and find an EA specialist one. I will call WA tomorrow when I finally have time to myself (been working till school pick up time each day so no chance till now, but have day off). Any tips or ideas I can use to find this sort of lawyer?

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