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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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foolonthehill · 28/09/2012 10:32

Maggie I have to go now but somewhere I have a document about how to plan to leave (don't leave without the children) and/or how to leave fast. If it is safe I can PM you with it. If not i can post on this thread later. Let me know what you need.

PS the impossible can be done, miracles take a little time, but you can, yes you really can be free.

If you still have the cash he shoved down you top....go and open a current account just for you!!! Look for a basic account like LloydsTSB that needs no credit check and that you can manage entirely online.

Careful with internet safety. If he's savvy he can follow your tracks online Look at the Women's aid website to tell you how to prevent this.

The Women's aid phone number will not show on a BT landline bill.

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ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 10:33

fool, can you pm me that document or do you need my email?

foolonthehill · 28/09/2012 10:36

I can pm later if you are safe online...you will get an alert in your normal email that I have pm'd you with my user name but not yours (unless you have worked out a way of turning it off...I haven't!!)

confirm you are safe and i will retrieve it and send when I get a chance, ditto to anyone else!

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ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 11:08

fool, am safe, I primarily access here from work or my phone.

Sorry Hilde, can't help on the bills/ maint etc, I have been the primary earner for so long that its never come up. My plan is to leave and stop paying the mortgage and bills on "his" house, we'll see how long his strong attachment to his family home lasts then!

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ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 12:00

Some stuff I've retyped from my Lundy book for you lovely ladies who might be lurking or pondering if you are actually in an EA relationship.

Key behaviours of an abusive man:

  • give and take in the relationship is grossly out of whack. You end up giving way more than your share, while your partner is taking way more than his.
  • You pay a high price for bringing up certain subjects, so that you start to feel ?I just can?t talk to him about that?.
  • He tells you that things he has done to you are your own fault.
  • You get punished for standing up to him about certain things. If you don?t back down when he reaches his limit, he will get you back for it by ripping you apart verbally, threatening you, scaring you, hurting you physically or taking steps to intentionally ruin your day. The bottom line is, if he doesn?t get his way about something that?s important to him, he makes sure to make you miserable.
  • You feel more and more controlled and devalued by him over time.
  • He hurts you for being hurt by him. In other words, if you tell him how you have been affected by his destructive behaviour, or he notices those effects himself, he uses those effects to ridicule you, or do more harm in other ways. (For example, when you flinch during an argument due to physical fear, he says ?you are afraid of me? That?s ridiculous, stupid, hysterical etc?.)
  • He refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions.
ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 12:00

Checklist of abusive behaviours

  • Calling you offensive, degrading or anti-female names (bitch, whore etc).
  • Cheating on you
  • Accusing you of cheating on him, or of wanting to
  • Belittling your ambitions or dreams
  • Making it hard for you to see or talk to friends or relatives, damaging your relationships, isolating you
  • Putting you down about your weight, trying to control what you eat
  • Controlling what you wear or where you go
  • Controlling you in other ways
  • Ignoring you, punishing you with silent treatment
  • Hurting you through your children
  • Demanding constant attention and catering from you
  • Checking up on you frequently
  • Interfering with your work life
  • Pressuring you for sex/ specific acts
  • Touching or grabbing in a demeaning or unwanted way
  • Forcing you to have sex
  • Scaring or intimidating you, intentionally or not
  • Shoving you, slapping you, pinning you
  • Blocking your way
  • Hitting you, physically hurting you
ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 12:03

Yes Hilde, its like when DH is nice to me, I distrust it. Yesterday I got home from work and he asked me how my day was, did I have any news, all very nice, I nearly fell over with shock (this is very unusual). I thought to myself "he is off to the pub shortly". I was right.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/09/2012 12:14

I'm having a wobble just like nini was the other day. It was clear during the counselling session yesterday that I was pretty messed up when I entered the relationship - we never had the "in love" bit, really, and I married him anyway, just in case I didn't get another chance. Blush Blush So I feel in some kind of way that I can't make demands and he has every right to be disappointed in me. Someone talk some sense to me!

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MrsOscarPistorius · 28/09/2012 12:59

Forsale I dont know much about all this but have you seen a solicitor to talk through your options for leaving?

You need to be very wary about leaving the house yourself, and ESPECIALLY the children. this may give him a strong case in divorce proceedings that he is primary carer for the children, and then you could end up paying him maintenance for him to stay in the house with the kids.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/09/2012 13:01

:o Thanks, hilde, I'm feeling better already!

I just feel guilty when he says I don't love him but maybe one day I will. I think in the beginning I put him on a pedestal, so I even feel bad reading Lundy because he says abusers do that in the early days. Oh dear, I'm still a mess!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/09/2012 13:13

when he says, "You don't love me but I hope one day you will"

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/09/2012 13:17

How's Poopy Poppy, hilde? Living up to its name?

ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 28/09/2012 13:49

Snort @ Poopy. Grin

MrsOscar, no I still haven't seen a solicitor. I am off now to make an appointment. I've been putting it off out of fear. Confused

Sent FW an email in an effort to be clear about how I feel. He has responded by saying that he has arranged a babysitter for tonight and would like to talk. Hmm

NiniLegsInTheAir · 28/09/2012 13:55

Lol @ Poopy. There's your new nickname hilde! Wink

Charlotte, know what you mean. I was also messed up when I entered my relationship but I think he actually capitalised on that - maybe your NSDH did too?

Forsale's list has brought me out of my waver.

I can't bear the thought of another weekend at home. He wants tomorrow to 'study' AGAIN. I'm exhausted enough without having to figure out what to do all day with DD on my own for the second saturday in a row.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 28/09/2012 14:02

Tell him he can study on Sunday! Tomorrow he's catching up with DD having not been able to spend much playtime with her all week. Wink You, meanwhile, can kit yourself up for all weathers and go for a long, long walk. Best thing is you don't have to spend money doing it.

Erm, that came across as dictatorial, but was really meant as suggestion!

TheSilverPussycat · 28/09/2012 14:03

I was also messed up going into relationship, thought we would help each other, mutual rescue! I worked on me, he didn't work on him - he didn't think he needed to. He provided no support, while blaming me for being depressed.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 28/09/2012 14:06

We're supposed to be going to see my sister on Sunday, 'family' day out. And it didn't sound dictatorial Wink

Interesting you say you were also messed up, Silver, is this a common theme I wonder?