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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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arthriticfingers · 26/09/2012 16:25

To all of us who have not managed to shake of the shadow of FWEXs.
I just wanted to remind myself us all that (to use someone else's words - reference to follow)
In an abusive relationship, abuse is the only issue.
We are not having 'communication problems' we are still being abused when we have any contact.
The abuse does NOT suddenly/miraculously stop when we separate - in fact, it gets worse.
Abuse stops (if it ever does) if the abuser does something about it.
Until then, all contact/engagement will be abusive
This was a long memo to self Blush

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/09/2012 16:33

Lurking and reading here, just wanted to add my 2 pence worth hilde, if you get more than one guinea pig, get girls, boys fight even if they're from the same litter. Smile I used to have guinea pigs as a child and I love them, great idea!

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 26/09/2012 16:51

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tryingtoescape · 26/09/2012 17:28

Wow hilde you are being so strong, keep going. What Fool said re email, and what pony said about not letting him see how hard it was not letting him in and how you almost gave in - if he sees a crack in the wall, he will zone in on it instantly.

I was going to say re his original email about his abuse - thb what struck me very strongly is that his words sound a bit like he's done some research and then copying and pasting - the first para is very kind of formulaic IFSWIM? That is an unfeasibly large step in self enlightenment otherwise!! It's like he is faithfully copying out what a webite says about abusers and, (not necessarily consciously) using it to manipulate and reach you effectively. He knows what buttons to press. And the fact that he spelt "center" in the bit I suspect is cut and paste and then "centre" in his own bit is perhaps telling? Dunno, but it struck me...?!

My FW was very like this when we broke up and then got back together years ago. And indeed he was alright for a year or two, we were very happy. Then the old pattern came back worse than ever. And he got verbally, emotionally and occasionally physically abusive again. Now there's hardly a time without it when he and I are in house together and it's impingeing on dcs very visibly now they're older.

So sorry to sound down on him when you love him and of course really wish things could be worked out - but then again if he is truly contrite he will follow the prgramme and respect your wishes, won't he?

tryingtoescape · 26/09/2012 17:30

Nini interesting re boy guinea pigs, hmmmmm any parallels to be drawn Grin Grin

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arthriticfingers · 26/09/2012 17:38

Yes, it is sad. But it also sounds like you have a good one there Hilde

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arthriticfingers · 26/09/2012 19:02

:)

LemonDrizzled · 26/09/2012 19:06

I'm glad to see you are living up to the new name hilde Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 26/09/2012 20:33

Go hilde!!!! Smile Enjoy your lovely evening.

tryingtoescape · 26/09/2012 20:43

God your dd is amazing Smile. Bless.

I hope I didn't offend by pulling his email to bits, I am so sorry if I did. I see what you mean about dyslexia and the sp not being relevant.

Enjoy your chilled evening, you deserve it!

foolonthehill · 26/09/2012 20:46

hey Hilde...out of the mouths of babes....
perhaps you two could look at the freedom programme together...protective and bonding!! (and she will see past any of the flannel and excuses that we use to cover up the bad behaviour!!!)

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/09/2012 20:47

Enjoy your evening hilde Smile

And yes, rabbits and guinea pigs shouldn't be kept together, that's a misconception. Apparently it's easy for rabbits to lash out and hurt guinea pigs.

Lol trying, boy guinea pigs aren't that different to men either, they certainly smell similar Wink

tryingtoescape · 26/09/2012 20:53

Thank god they only shed fur, not bloody socks like blokes eh Wink

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/09/2012 20:59

Hah indeed! Wink

BibiBlocksberg · 26/09/2012 21:12

Grrr, bloody site keeps kicking me out if I write anything more than three sentences tonight.

So, to be brief - well done Hilde for your savvy and not swallowing all the 'me, me, me' messages in your FW's letter/e-mail.

I remember the huge sense of relief that he'd finally seen the light when i got similar missives just before the end. Closely followed by my intense anger as all I could think was 'so you bloody well know full well what you've been doing to me and still carried on'

Yeah to the springer adoption fool - animals are such soul healers, oh and I whole heartedly agree that fur is much better to clean up than discarded socks Grin

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 26/09/2012 21:32

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bertiebassett · 26/09/2012 21:46

Just a quick post to say well done hilde! I'm so proud of you Smile

NiniLegsInTheAir · 26/09/2012 21:46

Good for you hilde Smile The rabbits sound perfect, I'm a tad jealous, can't wait for DD to be old enough to have a pet of her own. Relax and enjoy the rest of your evening!

Having a Brew and watching South Park, this is the life.

daiseehope · 26/09/2012 23:19

Hello. I have not been on for a while and I would like to say that Hilde you have TRANSFORMED!
I wanted to warn everybody about an EA tactic that's new to me. I love Twitter and blogging. I have been unable to work for a while now and T
the writing helps. I am aslo beginning to write for a living. Fab - and it's all mine. But lately, my FWP has cottoned on to this. He's got hold of my username (pretty easy as my mates all had it anyway), but there's little tweets sneaking out which I know are aimed at me but don't name me. The usual EA criticisms we all know and love. Today it was a dig about oh no here we go agaon. i.e. I have been on my laptop a lot. He takes that to mean I may be becoming depressed... For anything emotionally honest I will now have to make a lie up, and use another pseudonym. Be careful on line.

hildebrandisgettinghappier · 27/09/2012 08:27

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/09/2012 09:52

Fab fab fab hilde - hold on to this feeling, it's your future. Am smiling so much thinking about you. Thanks