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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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unhappyhildebrand · 25/09/2012 13:16

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 13:26

Is it the only place in town with a good signal? Must get quite crowded there, I should think.
lostmywellies, you do make me laugh! GrinGrin I think I [heart] u a little. Glad you've got Lundy. Will you get a chance to read it privately ok? I remember locking myself in the bathroom & having a bath (had taken to nightly baths at the time, to sooth my pregnant-sore back), and getting really freaked when NSDH was rattling on the door wondering why I'd locked it, frantically searching the bathroom for a safe hiding place for the book in case he burst in. Be safe while you read it.

hilde, I blinking well hope he's not still there after 2 hrs! Shock If he is, tell him you're not answering any more texts while he's outside the house, he needs to get his stuff from the doorstep (wonderful idea!!!!) and go. And then turn your phone off. He's still making you dance to his tune, make him dance to yours.

I just phoned the local DV unit. The woman I spoke to was absolutely lovely (wonder if it was the same one I spoke to back in January), but couldn't just log the incident for me she said. She did speak to me for nearly half an hour though, explaining what would happen if I did report it. She said that I could report it at any time, same with the past incidents, and officers would go out to speak to NSDH if they thought it was a crime (she said that it was). If he denied the ones where there were no witnesses, there was not much they could do. But if there were any other avenues to take for any incidents - witnesses, doctor reports, people who saw any bruising - then they would follow them up as far as possible. (I have photos taken of our living room wall where he bashed a hole with a golf club last July, I wonder if that counts, or it would still be his word against mine.) She spoke a lot about the need to keep the kids safe from it, mine and his, she spoke about getting counselling for the kids through Women's Aid maybe (something I'd been thinking of, the girls were terrified on Sunday and crying, and not for the first time). The more she talked, the more I thought: I can't stay in this relationship, can I. Sad I came off the phone and just cried.
I spoke to Respect yesterday too, and although there are no programmes anywhere near us, the man was concerned that I stay safe any time I have to see him, eg handing over the kids. So tomorrow, I've asked him to pick them up on his way home from work (i'll hand over in my flat's car park, lots of windows overlooking), and I'll pick them up later but I wont go in the house.
And I saw a friend for coffee this morning, told her about it, but it didn't register till after that I wasn't expecting her to be shocked, I wasn't emotional about it, it's normality for me. I'm SadSadSad that this is how I think now.

ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 13:30

hilde, breathe a sigh of relief, you made it over the first hurdle, spend that voucher on yourself, absolutely deserve it (you did anyway, mind you, plus it's your blinking voucher!!!!)

ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 13:31

And like the name, CharlotteCollinsislost. She is a woman who knows what she wants in life, and how to get it.

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 25/09/2012 13:45

Curtis I need to maintain some kind of relationship with this man, since like it or not we have a child together and there's no way he'd drop out of her life altogether. The more difficult I make things now, the more difficult he will make things in years to come, I know how he works. If we are to end, it needs to be amicable (as much as possible), I know he will only try to ruin DD's life otherwise. I'm not sure that makes sense.

Hilde, glad he's now gone. Enjoy spending your voucher on whatever you want! Stay strong and keep posting.

Curtis hope you're ok? Sounds like some constructive conversations you've had, has it had any influence on what you'll do now?

Loving the new NN Charlotte Grin

CharlotteCollinsislost · 25/09/2012 14:10

ponygirl - I'm lucky, NSDH is away all week. He goes away on business a lot; it's one of the things that's kept us together so long! So I can just sit down and relax with the book. I need to read it: a large part of me doesn't really believe in EA even now. Maybe in your cases, certainly not in mine. Hmm I'm hoping to be convinced otherwise at last.

ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 14:29

Nini, I think I came across a little brusque and offhand in that post, I apologise. I was in a hurry to get out of the door, but I should have taken more time to write it in a more considered way. I hope I didn't upset you, I'm sorry if I did. Thanks

I think what I meant was: He will blame you and make things difficult regardless of what you do. You're a reasonable, decent, nice person (in other words normal) who wouldn't make things difficult for someone else as some kind of revenge or payback. You will always think of DD. He is not like that. I think no matter what you do, no matter how reasonable and amicable you are, no matter how hard you try, he'll be obnoxious when the time inevitably comes, and try to use DD against you.
I'm in the same situation - NSDH will always be around, to see DS2 (and DS1 too). In the first four weeks of our split, I tried my hardest to be reasonable, to be flexible with him seeing DS2, to be as accommodating as possible. But that didn't stop him demanding more from me, using guilt on me, accusing me of stopping him from seeing his son, of being controlling, etc, etc, etc.
I think what I'm saying is: what you do now has no bearing on how he will be, I don't think. He will be how he is, and you've already identified what that will be.

For me, I am still confused - similar, really, I'm worried about reporting it to the police and what that will do to things for the future (he would be furious, and it could affect his job, although maybe I'm wrong about that). But if I don't, what happens if he tries to snatch DS2 again? I think I'm closer to the realisation that I have to end things (for now at least - see, still cant make it completely final). I know what I should do about reporting it, I know what I'd advice anyone else to do. But I don't know what I'll do. Got counselling tomorrow, will discuss it then.

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bertiebassett · 25/09/2012 17:19

Well done hilde I'm proud of you....sorry you didn't get any boots though Smile

pony it's difficult to know what to do about reporting it...I worried at the time and I'm still a bit concerned. I don't want STBXH to find out i went to the police...unless he does it again. If he finds out he'll be furious.
There is one way he WILL find out though...
Apparently if he ever tries to emigrate to the USA they look at ALL records (not just convictions). They will see that a DV incident has been filed and will want to talk to him about that. Mind you that means they'll also want to talk to him about his criminal damage conviction from 15 years ago which I had nothing to do with!

fingers I'm doing ok. Feeling a bit down. He's showing no signs of moving out. There are no suitable properties to rent where he's looking. He has such particular requirements that I don't think he'll ever find anything. I can't decide whether to offer to buy him out now (and make him moving out a condition) or to give up on trying to keep this house and move out and rent somewhere myself (with DS)...I'm much less fussy about where I live!

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 18:07

It's lovely hilde - go for it! And still £11 left over for something else, bargain!

bertie, the problem is if I report it, he'll know, because they'll go and speak to him. I can't just have it logged, apparently, and the woman I spoke to indicated that if I reported it they'd definitely be speaking to NSDH, especially because there were children present (and witnessing it). So it's either all or nothing. I am going between the two. Maybe I should speak to his exW, maybe she wouldn't be at all happy if I dragged her girls into this as witnesses, perhaps she would but maybe the right thing to do would be talk to her so she knew about it (although I'm sure the girls will have talked to their mum).

TheSilverPussycat · 25/09/2012 18:57

Oooh that is gorgeous, hilde.

Sorry have nothing to contribute re DV reporting, at least that is something I have no experience of.

Finding it hard to get going, but that is nothing compared to all you are facing. At least I am free Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 25/09/2012 19:05

Don't worry Curtis, you didn't come across badly! Smile And you're totally right with how you say his behaviour would be regardless of what happens now, I know I'm just trying to kid myself that he will be reasonable. I guess thinking I'll have a lifetime of him manipulating my gorgeous little DD is more than I can bear. Sad Hope your counselling goes ok tomorrow!

Bertie, hope you're ok and you reach a conclusion that you're comfortable with - is it possible that you moving out or buying him out would be better?

Hilde, I love it! I'm a big Phase Eight fan and anything blue! Of course, it would be very MSE to look for discount codes etc before buying to see if you can get the price down even more Wink. Can you tell I'm an MSE-er?

He gave me a hug this evening when he got home and told me he love me. How pathetic is it that my heart still skipped a beat. Sad

bertiebassett · 25/09/2012 19:35

nini I really don't know what to do...it would be less disruption for DS if he and I stay here, but I don't know how much longer I can last with STBXH here (I've spent every evening in my bedroom since January). On the other hand if I move out then I have to rely on STBXH to keep the house in order and pay mortgage while it's being sold...I don't trust him to do that and I don't want to lose the equity I'd be due to get. Any ideas anyone?

I know what you mean about having the DC manipulated too...STBXH is due to take DS away to see his grandparents for a weekend at half term. It will be the first time he's taken him anywhere. I know he'll be ok but I worry about what FW will be telling him. BiL will be there too and he's even more manipulative (his XW has gone no contact and I completely understand why)....

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 25/09/2012 20:27

Nice jumper, hilde. Been looking for something like that, myself!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 25/09/2012 20:56

Enjoy your Wine hilde, you deserve it! And well done on the bargains, sometimes you just need to spend a bit of money on yourself.

Bertie, no real advice here I'm afraid, I guess it's just figuring out which is the lesser of two evils. Having to stay in your bedroom since January is a very long time though, and sounds like he needs a push (whether that's by you moving or him).

ponygirlcurtis · 25/09/2012 21:40

Nini I guess thinking I'll have a lifetime of him manipulating my gorgeous little DD is more than I can bear.
But think how much worse he'll be affecting her if he's around her all the time, ie if you don't leave him. It's just a horrible situation, isn't it. I guess the thing to hold onto is that when you eventually leave, you'll actually be protecting her.
I have watched NSDH saying horrible, manipulative things about me to my step-daughters (and occasionally DS1), right in front of me, so God only knows what he says when I'm not there (although I do know some of it, DSD1 tells me...). And as I said to DS2 (through my tears) on Sunday, I wanted to leave to show her that a woman doesn't have to put up with that kind of treatment.
And despite knowing all that, I can understand what you say about your heart skipping a beat. Despite all that happened over the weekend, I still get a flutter every time he texts and tells me he loves me. (then I just get more confused about what to do, so I'm really not helping myself... Hmm)

bertie, I didn't realise that you'd spent every evening in your bedroom since January. That's soooooo hard. (Why are you in your room, and not him in his, or at least taking turns?) As much as it'd be less upheaval for DS, I think having a happy Mum is more important. However, your concern about STBXH not keeping up with the mortgage is a real worry. Could you speak to your lawyer about that side, maybe they could recommend some solution?

How's your eye hilde?

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BibiBlocksberg · 25/09/2012 22:06

Just popping in to say I bet you'll feel and look a million dollars in that top Hilde! And bollocks to pots and pans!

I remember the spaghetti head over making choices very well especially in the early days. Couldn't even decide what I liked to eat (supermarket shopping alone took forever!) after a decade of having been trained by my FW to only choose what was acceptable to him.

You're doing so well, very impressive (that applies to all on this thread as well)

:)

CharlotteCollinsislost · 25/09/2012 22:08

:o at the flutter, hilde.

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