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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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foolonthehill · 24/09/2012 10:48

Hilde well done, you are a brave and good woman and mother. Get as much support as you can. tell the police on 101 what you have done and warn them that he has hurt you in the past. they will red flag your address.

but I have held my self back since and I fully intend to keep trying to do so. ha any sort of man would never have hurt you in the first place and certainly would not have to try not to in the future...he doesn't hurt other people who wind him up I'll bet! I read this as a poorly veiled threat and he is still expecting to control you. Stay strong

and when you lay down a boundary (eg only written communication) stick to it they will try to erode it as control is what they do.

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arthriticfingers · 24/09/2012 10:51

He's quite right about you suffering if you go.
Don't
Get him out.
See a lawyer today and discuss your options.
And come back here and rant as often as possible on your way to getting him out.

ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 24/09/2012 10:58

Sorry, he went to the pub on Saturday afternoon and stayed until closing. Not yesterday.
Fingers, he won't leave, believe me I have tried everything.

unhappyhildebrand · 24/09/2012 11:04

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ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 24/09/2012 11:19

Good luck today hilde, just reading back and am very proud of you xx

AnastasiaSteele · 24/09/2012 12:08

I hate him and I hate me more.

He has just TOLD me where I am TAKING HIM for lunch.

And I don't say anything.

He's such a fucking arsehole.

I hate myself so much for being so meek and pathetic. I'm at my desk in a professional proper job and I can't stand up to this cocklodging wankstain.

I go to see the domestic abuse counsellor next Wednesday. I really need help. I don't feel like I deserve it/

lostmywellies · 24/09/2012 13:50

:( Anastasia, you are a person of infinite worth. There are many wonderful things about you, but it's hard for you to see them while you're with this... well, can't beat your description of him! Wink

Hope the counsellor can help move you a little more in the right direction. And hope at least the food was good. :)

foolonthehill · 24/09/2012 13:50

AS you deserve it (the help not the abuse), take it, use it, find a new life without him in it. It WILL be a better one

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foolonthehill · 24/09/2012 13:52

forsale one way or another get him out of your life. And actually it is entirely possible to get him out of the house...use the legal route and if you have to go first then move back in then do it. Just make sure the DC are with you.

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ForSaletotheHighestBidder · 24/09/2012 13:56

Spaghetti head today Fool, he is my childcare at the moment as he can't hold down a job is struggling to find work and I work fulltime so can't get my head around what to do if I did leave/ when I leave.
I think I need an evening under the duvet and hopefully will be more clear headed tomorrow.
AS, re cocklodging wankstain, I hear you, I also have one of those. Angry Hugs.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 24/09/2012 14:01

Oh Curtis I'm so sorry you had a bad time. Sad

Hilde, well done! Stay strong and keep posting. Good luck today.

Forsale, big hugs, that sounds awful. I totally empathise, you're not mental, you were just pushed to the edge. I've been there. Sad

Ana, you don't deserve to be treated like that. I hope the DA counsellor has some answers for you.

I've just dropped DD off at nursery for the afternoon so we can go to counselling later. She always cries and screams when I go, then I spend the drive home crying myself. She's already at nursery 4 days a week, I HATE having to leave her there so we can play at fixing this. And I hate him for being the reason I have to leave her there an extra half day a week. Really not in the right place for counselling later. Wish me luck.

lollipoppi · 24/09/2012 14:06

Hello, i need advice before DP gets home!
I have never posted in this thread but this seems like the right place to be right now.

My dp makes me feel like a complete slag, god I hate that word but it's the only one I can use to describe it.

He accuses me of "staring" "looking" at other men, which I do NOT do. This has gone on for years, we have a DS and I am pg with dc2, I don't go out with friends, I rarely even go out with dp as it results in an argument about me looking at other men.
The latest is yesterday when my friend and her husband popped round for a quick brew, we were all sat on the sofa and I adjusted my leggings over my bump which made my long top ride up slightly...... This has resulted in me apparently flashing my knickers at my friends husband, not once, but twice?! Which of course never happened and sounds utterly stupid, but he actually believes I did this (for a start) and on purpose!
When he brought it up last night I just laughed and said he was being stupid, he carried it on and said why do I do it?? Wtf am I suppose to respond to that? I went to bed without saying a word very upset that he thinks that I would do that or that is the sort of person I am, he slept on the sofa and went to work early this morn..... And now HE is giving ME the silent treatment!

This has happened before, a lot. Last week he accused me of staring at his friends penis! I honestly couldn't even tell you what his friend was wearing never mind look at his penis! He was fully clothed on a cold day so was wearing a coat!

Anyway he is due home from work shortly we Havnt spoke since last night and i know this is all going to be twisted into my fault, I just can't seem to get through to him how mental his accusations sound as he firmly believe these things are happening.
How do I approach it tonight?

AnastasiaSteele · 24/09/2012 14:49

I didn't end up going. went to Starbucks for a big cake and coffee by myself. Much nicer.

I got a text saying 'sending you loads of stuff to print'. I told him I was too busy to do it and too busy to meet him. He's in a huff now, but meh.

lollipoppi I don't know what to advise. What you describe is EA - some of the links highlight such accusations as examples of EA. But it's up to you to conclude that - you know your DP and your relationship.

Ultimately, 'how to approach it' is to detatch and leave if he is abusive (mumsnet bingo woo hoo - leave the bastard') but obviously but as you'll see from here, that's a very personal decision and one that takes ages to do.

My FW (fuckwit) is always turning the tables on me. Its enough to drive you insane.

Keep posting on here, you will find only support, no judgement.

lostmywellies · 24/09/2012 14:53

lollipoppi - welcome and sorry you have to be here. There is no "correct" way to approach this, really, as it is all in his mind and you know you are not getting through to him. Give up trying to persuade him for the moment; try to detach yourself from the emotions of it all and just observe his behaviour for a while. This is a repeated mantra on this thread: detach and observe! Then when you have a chance, read the links at the top of the thread. I was reading the first few pages of the Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That on Amazon preview last night and some of it sounded exactly like what you are reporting. Read, reflect and post more whenever you want.

Good luck!

lostmywellies · 24/09/2012 14:55

Oops, xpost! Glad to see we said the same things! :o

So glad you had a nice lunch break without him and are putting him in his place. :)

arthriticfingers · 24/09/2012 14:58

Hello lollipop :( you have to be here.
Yes, this is abuse. :(
Start with the links at the top of the thread, and post here as often as you can.

unhappyhildebrand · 24/09/2012 15:24

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TheSilverPussycat · 24/09/2012 15:27

Well what a surprise that he didn't just collect his stuff and go. Stay strong!

ponygirlcurtis · 24/09/2012 15:46

hilde, he's massively delaying. He's hoping that you'll relent, or he'll wear you down, or anything at all that will mean him not going anywhere. I don't think he's going to make it easy for you... Hope he goes soon.

AnastasiaSteele · 24/09/2012 16:15

I echo what ponygirl said - he's not going to listen or make this easy a) because he's not interested in your opinion etc - you don't count, remember? He doesn't respect your choice. b) This is probably a shock to him because he's used to you doing what he wants - he wont believe that you'll go through with it.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 24/09/2012 17:56

Can someone give me a hug please? Feel like i've just been pushed thro a cheeze grater

tryingtoescape · 24/09/2012 18:18

HUGGGGG Nini, massive one. So sorry, what's wrong? xxxxx

tryingtoescape · 24/09/2012 18:21

Hilde, is he back yet? Was goiing to say, maybe don';t challenge him or make definitive statements about not wanting him while he's got the dcs with him and is out with them. Also maybe not while he's with you - phone or email for those statements of intent, with dcs safely with you perhaps? Don't want to be alarmist, it just occurred to me. Good luck, xxx

TheSilverPussycat · 24/09/2012 19:22

nini what's up? Another hug coming your way.

bertiebassett · 24/09/2012 19:37

Wow lots happening this weekend...

hilde well done & keep strong. I can completely relate to your feelings of relief. I hope you do better than me are successful in getting him out and staying away.

pony when I called the police they gave me a log number and asked if someone could call me the next day. They gave me a time to expect the call (so I could make sure I was alone). Someone called the next day and asked if they could see me in person. I went to the station and talked to a DV support officer. They said that if I 'reported' the incident they would go and talk to STBXH. They said he would probably be given a warning. They also said that if I didn't want to report it they could keep a record of it (this is what I chose and he wrote an account in his notebook and wrote a description of the injuries to my arm). They said if I wanted to change it to an official report I could do that at any time in the future. A few days later I had a call from the DV support unit...had a big chat with the chap. He tried to persuade me to make it official. He said that it was unlikely to be a one off incident...in fact he was able to guess exactly the type of behaviour that had preceded (which really surprised me). He gave me lots of advice on keeping safe and what to do in the future if anything else happened.

All in all it was a very positive experience (and I would never have predicted I'd say that about the police).