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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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arthriticfingers · 22/09/2012 16:36

Hi Lemon things are about as bad as they could be here :(
I really don't think I will be able to stay.
I would love to bore you to tears with the situation talk.
DD1 goes off to university tomorrow, which is really exciting :)
Especially as I am taking her :)
ps Bertie I did not even consult FW about this.

arthriticfingers · 22/09/2012 16:38

ps Lemon did you find your FWs new girlfriend in the Freedom Programme?
I can post a link to the pages, if you like.

LemonDrizzled · 22/09/2012 17:26

That would be fascinating fingers

I worry about them both. FWH didn't stop to reflect on what happened to us. He dived straight into another relationship. His GF had just left her H in very acrimonious circumstances and has lots of shouty arguments/court action over her DC and access. Her XH has had a breakdown and left the country. (Can you tell I live in a small town where we all know each others business Grin )

The new GF has alienated my DC by making no effort to get to know them in two years... her loss!

LemonDrizzled · 22/09/2012 17:29

Oh Kaykat welcome to this sad place we would all rather not be!

The first step is to read the links above, then to detach and observe your FW like an anthropologist. He is Homo Abusis and his behaviour is very predictable. You could play Abuser Bingo and tick off each behaviour as you spot it.

It sounds flippant but it really helps to stay objective and not get dragged back into rounds of mindscrambling argument.

LemonDrizzled · 22/09/2012 17:34

Oh and you might try the broken record technique with him. When he asks you to do something you don't want to do you just say "Sorry that doesn't work for me" or something similar. Then rinse and repeat until he gets the message.
You don't need to explain or justify yourself. It just gives him something to argue with.

tryingtoescape · 22/09/2012 17:59

Hi ladies, hope all survivinbg just about...... I am feeling very Sad FW being fw, high of being strong has worn off, now feel worn out. I guess that means I'll be taking the next step soon. I stood up to him today as he made a horrible derogatory remark and walked away just as I was sitting in car prior to driving to shops. I took him by surprise by getting out of car, slamming door (slightly!) and walking angrily safter him. He stared across the garden, not meeting my eye as I asked, what was that comment all about? His answer was "what is your comment all about?" His usual non-towering intellect response to any challenge from me (throwing it back at me and not meeting my eye). I asked again and he looked at me in genuine surprise and said, "why are you talking to me like this?" I said, this is how you talk to me. I then drove to shops, feeling deeply down and sad and like a worthless POS. I know I'm not, etc but that's how I felt.

Bertie I would go if that's what your ds would like and just have a drink and pretend you're an actor, plastering a pleasant smile on your face. Then leave and pat yourself on the back massively for being a grown up compared with his arseholedom and for escaping the life of a fw spouse Grin I bloody hope to join you on the other side soon, too!

Hi kaykat and welcome althougth Sad you have to be here. This thread is a life line and an eye opener and leads to freedom....... Smile

arthriticfingers · 22/09/2012 18:25

Here is the new girlfriend quoted from 'Living with the Dominator' published by Freedom Press:
www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Dominator-About-Freedom-Programme/dp/0955882702/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1348334201&sr=1-1

Unashamed plug.

^The Persuader makes us feel jealous

If all the tactics described above fail, the Persuader has a very powerful card up his sleeve. He will tidy himself up. He will get a job or get a better job. He will move into a nice flat. He may buy a new car. He will also, crucially, get a new female partner!^

Can't find the rest of it, but basically it says that he will parade her about in a desperate attempt to make us jealous about just to make his point [confused[

arthriticfingers · 22/09/2012 18:29

For any of us thinking of taking them back, the book also points out (and don't I wish I had read it before falling for 'promises') that if we do go back the abuse will get worse because (from the abuser's point of view) we have simply accepted the dominance of a FW

NiniLegsInTheAir · 22/09/2012 19:59

Hi to kaykat, sorry you have to be here.

Bertie, personally I would go to the party and fix the smile on, just to spite him.

Big hugs, escape, it's amazing how they react when you even so much as try to give them a bit back in the same way they treat you, huh!

Feeling a bit low tonight. Got home this afternoon, evidently NSDH had done enough of his essay as he was making plans for his night out drinking. He went out a few hours ago. Put DD to bed, made my dinner, now sat here. He's done so little today I'm back to feeling like a single parent. I'm also annoyed with him that despite me being in debt I had to spend money in 2 cafes just to keep out of the house because he couldn't be fucked to do his essay on time. Where's the justice in that?

The houses on both sides of me are having parties, so all I can hear is people laughing. Feeling a bit lonely. Met with a friend I havn't seen for a while in town briefly this morning but she only gave me an hour before going home with her little one. I wish I had someone nearby who could come round, sit with me, watch TV or a film and laugh with me while we drink wine. I keep trying but nobody seems to really want to have much to do with me. I've even tried reaching out to work colleagues but nobody seems interested. This is not the life I thought I would have.

Apologies, a bit of self-pitying going on here. Will redeem myself by packing more things away in boxes in preparation for the resanding of our bedroom floor in a few weeks.

lostmywellies · 22/09/2012 20:56

trying - hey, be proud of yourself! You said, in effect, "Don't talk to me like that. I'm worth more than that." That's assertive, not aggressive like he likes to be. And it sounds like it shocked him. Good for you!

tryingtoescape · 22/09/2012 23:14

Nini and Wellies thank you so much for thoughts and kind words.

Wellies, you're right, I did assert myself and am glad of that, although I felt like shit after this episode, which in itself was not huge, but it's easy to be cut down when you're low anyway. Someone said upthread it's death by a thousand cuts (can't remember quote exactly, sorry) and that's it in a nutshell, isn't it.

Nini so sorry you're feeling isolated tonight, especially with people having fun on either side. I am sure it's not you (in terms of reaching out to others at work etc) it's just that everyone has such complicated exhausting lives that maybe they don't pick up on the signals? FWIW, I am having a Wine with you now if you're still up Smile. I can't believe how fwitted your oh is being about the studying and going out business, leaving you in cafes all day Shock, not supporting you through your own exam and then pissing off to pub and leaving you feeling Sad. He's being a right bugger and your feelings are very valid. Big hugs to you too.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 22/09/2012 23:40

Thanks escape, i had a beer to myself instead and about to go to bed. Why dont we hav a beer smiley btw?

Death by a thousand cuts is exactly right. Stay strong.

tryingtoescape · 22/09/2012 23:48

You too, Nini Smile stay strong and have a good night's sleep. [beer] Wink

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 23/09/2012 09:19

Really sorry to read that hilde, that sounds like an awful day! None of that is trivial at all. Good luck with today, can't give much advice but I'm sure the ladies who've been through separation will be able to. I'll be thinking of you today. And the Gower is one of my fave places in the whole wide world. Maybe everyone on the thread should all holiday there together Smile.

Having a bad day already. NSDH staggered home at god-knows what time, woke DD up and stunk the whole house out with kebab. I was planning on taking DD to church this morning, got all ready to go then she realises he was in bed so screamed blue murder when I tried to prise her away from him. As always she just wants him. He offered to come to church but I said no as he stinks to high heaven of kebab, his response was "It was only a few drinks, get a grip." They're sat in front of the telly now, I'm upstairs, I've left them to it. It was all be so much easier if I just left, I think they'd both be happy and I wouldn't have to live with him anymore.

I'd like to go into town alone to get away from it all (if I stay here I'll only end up doing everything all day again). But with no money and I spent too much yesterday, I can't. So I'm sat in DD's room with the laptop and the cat. This could be a long day.

Kaykat · 23/09/2012 11:25

Hi Lemon, Nini and trying. Good advice to detach, it's taken me a long time to get to that point but I think I'm nearly there now. In a strange way he did me a favour having the affair because it made me step back and notice al sorts of unacceptable behaviour that I never noticed before. I now know I need to get free even if it's a long and difficult road which I'm sure it will be.

Nini your DD needs you more than you realise, nothing can replace a mothers love. Get free from your H if you can but not without your DD. I've got a cat on my lap too, they're a great comfort aren't they.

Btw can someone tell me what NSDH stands for??

onesixonetwo · 23/09/2012 13:47

Will post more later but for now please can anyone tell me....

Can someone go to a refuge if they are not actually being assaulted?
What happens when you go?
Would you lose your place on the local housing list?

Thanks, more later.

LemonDrizzled · 23/09/2012 13:59

Not So Dear Husband...

My FWH (who is meant to be completing the divorce petition this month to save solicitors fees) has started sending me complimentary emails telling me how wonderful I am, what a good job I have done as a mother, and so on.
I am deeply unnerved by this. Either he is trying to get into my good books before shafting me financially, or he wants us to get back together again.

1612 not ignoring you but don't really know the answers for you. I would have thought psychological abuse is enough reason to go to the refuge, and wouldn't you be given priority in housing terms?? But I am not an expert.

There is a lovely thread about refuges somewhere to encourage people to go

bertiebassett · 23/09/2012 15:07

hilde I'm sorry that you've been through such a lot this weekend ((hugs)). But it's good that you've got to the point where you've realised enough is enough. You're now saving yourself (and your DC). Good luck with your plan of action. Keep posting x

My weekend hasn't been so bad after all. FWSTBXH was ill last night....vomiting etc. so he ended up not being able to go to party today (fate?). Anyway, I took DS myself and we had a lovely time. All the parents seemed really pleased to see me...I sensed that they were glad I was there rather than FW... but I might be wrong of course Smile

tryingtoescape · 23/09/2012 16:03

Hilde that sounds awful. The bit about him making sudden jerky movements then pretending you're crazy for flinching is something I've experienced too, you are not crazy, this is a deliberate tactic of intimidation and it's so mean because it's "hidden" - so they think. Bloody hell, what's wrong with these guys? It's just so downright cruel, isn't it. Well done for deciding today's the day and big hugs and strength to you on your mission. Thinking of you.

Nini I am sorry things are so difficult. I completely second what Kaykat said about your dd needing you, nothing can replace a mum's love, believe me, specially as your oh is an emotional abuser - she may cling to him now but it's you she needs in reality. How old is she, I forget (sorry)? Because my dd had a dad-adoration phase when she was about two and didn't want to know me almost for a bit, but it passed and I've heard from others that they had the same phase. I hope meanwhile you have a cosy day with dcat and computer. Is it raining heavily where you are? It is here, so staying in is quite cosy, luckily "my" fw is heavily sedated by football watching today. I am quite fond of the old footy just because it babysits the fw and keeps him quiet and happy and out of my face!Wink

Lemon that does sound weird, it's impossible to work out their crazy twisted minds, sometimes, isn't it? I'm not surprised you are unnerved.

onesix what lemon said but perhaps WA can advise you? I have considered a shelter too - it would be a great relief to feel completely safe when leaving.

Hugs to all.

tryingtoescape · 23/09/2012 16:04

bertie so glad you had a nice experience at the party. I am sure you're right - that the other parents were very pleased to see you rather than him Smile

foolonthehill · 23/09/2012 17:33

1612
Can someone go to a refuge if they are not actually being assaulted?Yes DV includes emotional and all other forms but you need to have thought through why you are needing them rather than alternative and you could end up in BandB id no spaces

What happens when you go? They are nice to you look after you and protect you.

Would you lose your place on the local housing list? No, everyone has to move on from refuge

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foolonthehill · 23/09/2012 17:37

Hilde arth :(
they get worse and you cannot guarantee what they will do next (voice of bitter experience) you are in my thoughts and prayers. And have been continually.

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