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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 11

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foolonthehill · 10/09/2012 10:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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tryingtoescape · 19/09/2012 14:30

Nini that was bloody excellent Grin ha ha hope his foot annoyed him all day till he could be arsed to investigate!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 19/09/2012 14:35

To be honest, I doubt he'll notice! But it made me feel good! Personally, I wouldn't leave chunks of Biscuit lying around, what a waste of good food! Grin

onesixonetwo · 19/09/2012 16:01

We went to counselling, it was our initial 30 minutes free.
We didn't go into any depth about anything but I did say the things I wanted to say.
It was of some comfort to me that in the situation he was clearly uncomfortable and it took away some of his power, he came across as a coward and I felt better for it.
When the counsellor listened to him for a few minutes she said 'do you think it's fair to say you have trouble expressing your feelings' he squirmed while I did an excellent job of not PMSL.
So not all bad at all.

ontheparapet · 19/09/2012 20:22

Just me and DS in this evening, so I am able to post (unless DS interrupts). But actually I fancy a quiet night in front of the TV with my book and DS, so won't linger long - sorry, the chance to choose what I watch or don't watch, or to read in silence, is too good to pass up.

I've been catching up with some of the posts - awful situations which make some of my gripes seem trivial.

After my last post 10 days ago things calmed down (as I thought they would) and we have got on well. What has happened now is that H has taken DD back to Uni (long drive, which he was going to do there and back today, also delivering something en route there or back). He was feeling quite stressed about it this morning so I said not to worry if he wanted to stay over and come back tomorrow - meaning that he would stay in one of the motels we have stayed in before when dropping her off. Spoke to DD earlier who said she thought he was going to drive part way home and book in somewhere near a certain motorway junction. Now this place is near somewhere we had visited previously for his "adult fun", which set alarm bells ringing with me. It is also vaguely near where he has to go to make his delivery. I then discovered, (yes, I looked for it) that the "private phone" he uses for this so-called "fun" was not where I had last seen it. So I have jumped to the obvious conclusion. This might be unreasonable, as I know about the delivery and know roughly where he has to go for that.

I have tried to ring him on his normal phone and got no reply (he might be driving, or he might have it on silent so he doesn't have to answer work calls).

I actually encouraged him to stop over somewhere because I was genuinely concerned for him doing a lot of driving in one day, knowing he was tired and stressed. I must confess that part of me was fine about an evening/night without him but I did not really think that he would try to combine this trip with some "adult fun".

Where this leaves me is that he could genuinely be stopping somewhere on his way home in order to make the delivery tomorrow and get back in reasonable time. Or he could be stopping at this place in order to visit the "adult" establishment. So there is either a totally reasonable explanation, or an unreasonable one.

Bugger.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 19/09/2012 20:32

Glad your counselling went ok 1612. Smile

parapet try not to stress too much - if it turns out to be a reasonable explanation then you'll be kicking yourself for fretting on your night of freedom for no reason. And if its the unreasonable one, well, worry about that when it comes to it. Just for tonight, maybe try not to think about it? Not sure that really helps, sorry Sad

ontheparapet · 19/09/2012 20:38

Nini, thanks. No, I don't want to waste my "me time". I need to phone a friend about something so perhaps I'll go and do that, then tea, TV and book. I expect he will ring at some point (or turn up at home).

Love your biscuit story.

Keep strong, everyone.

Kernowgal · 19/09/2012 22:24

Excellent biscuit story, Nini Grin

I am celebrating because tonight I sold the sofa that FWEx bought when we first moved in here. He bought it off my landlady for a nominal sum, then we brought it back to the house in the pissing rain, having to reverse his van down my very narrow lane to get it near enough. He behaved appallingly, dropping the sofa in a rage, causing me to hurt my back, and then stormed out again. I tried to get in the van after him and he slammed the door shut, nearly trapping my fingers. He then roared off, leaving me standing in the downpour, getting soaked before raging at me about where I'd got to (I'd got well out of his way, funnily enough). He then said that "we're not on the same wavelength" and I remember thinking WTF have I just done, signing a rental contract with this arsehole?

So I sold it, for three times what he paid for it (I never gave him any money for it) Grin, and although it was a nice sofa I am fucking glad that it's gone and I never again have to be reminded of that awful night every time I looked at it. I also bought myself dinner to celebrate.

It was, however, a good reminder to trust one's instincts and have a bit more faith in one's self. I will NEVER EVER let anyone treat me like that again.

Wine

Cheers ladies!

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BibiBlocksberg · 19/09/2012 22:52

Grin @ ole Mr Biscuit Foot.

Finally sat down for 5 mins and raising a Wine to and with you kernowgal!

I've found it very therapeutic to get rid of all those items ex bought or brought into the relationship with him (especially furniture) since everything always had to be to his exacting specifications and my preferences were mostly ridiculed.

Mmh, think that's ignited my life long passion for re-arranging rooms

:)

lostmywellies · 19/09/2012 22:55

Inspiring stuff, Kernowgal! Enjoy the Wine

Another one gripped by a page-turner here - in my case, it's a book about narcissism that was mentioned recently on some thread round here. It is him! I am now sure he's a narcissist. He doesn't seem as bad as the ones in the book, though. Is that because he's on his best behaviour still at the moment? And how does it affect the dcs, having a narcissistic parent? Isn't there a thread about that? Must have a look when I have the time.

Kernowgal · 19/09/2012 23:00

Mine was the opposite - he'd have lived in total squalor and was always bringing junk home; he'd then get angry when I wasn't suitably grateful. I am going a bit further and have decided to move out of this house because I associate it with him and all the horrible things he did and said, and I simply want a fresh start. A shame, as it's a nice house, but mentally I need a break.

G'wan, get yer sofa on ebay!

newbeteacher · 20/09/2012 07:06

Nini I too am laughing hysterically that has made my morning xx

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bertiebassett · 20/09/2012 16:29

Hilde I ticked all of them too. TBH it was looking at that section that did it for me. I realised that he was saying WORD FOR WORD what Sir Lundy had said he would.

ANyway, the shit has hit the fan here...FWSTBXH has received the first letter from my solicitor today. He's not a happy FW. I have a barrage of texts.... not looking forward to going home now....

scentednappyhag · 20/09/2012 16:39

H finished work yesterday until Sunday, he's been horrible and moody since her fit home. When he's not having a go at me and making me think it's my fault, he's on his stupid computer playing stupid games.
I just overheard him tell DD to 'shut the fuck up' while he was giving her a bath Angry
I just want to go and curl up in a ball and cry today. It'd only wind him up even more though.

arthriticfingers · 20/09/2012 16:49

Go Bertie go.
Smile, wave do not engage. You are on your way to a better future. Let's face it. The present is pretty shit, so all eyes forward. :)

bertiebassett · 20/09/2012 20:18

Thanks fingers Smile

I am doing my best to detach. He's now been posting snidy comments on Facebook....don't mention my name but they're so obviously about me. Have decided to block him...is that best?

arthriticfingers · 20/09/2012 20:31

YES!!!!
And continuing - very well done.
Remember: Smile and Wave

arthriticfingers · 20/09/2012 20:32

and :) because there will be a happy ending.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 20/09/2012 22:07

Lol at dull boring FWs - in a desperate attempt to get our house in a sellable state I've raised the issue of the fact our hall/landing/stairs needs redecorating. He wants to do it 'white'. sigh. The way he looks at me when I suggest colour in the walls is like I'm suggested we smear it with poo!

Loving the sofa story Kernow!

Stay strong Bertie, smile and wave!

nappy, so Sad for your DD, do you have any get-out plans yet?

Biscuit-gate was a success btw, I don't think he noticed! Grin

tryingtoescape · 20/09/2012 22:07

Go Bertie Smile
Scented much sympathy, I experience similar from FW to dcs and it's just awful.

tryingtoescape · 20/09/2012 22:08

Biscuit-gate Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 20/09/2012 22:11

Whoops, Scented sounds a much better nickname than nappy, sorry.

I'm now daydreaming about other things I could put in his shoes without him noticing. Like buckaroo. With shoes. Wink