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Why have an affair if you dont want to leave your marriage?

187 replies

bogeyface · 08/09/2012 12:59

I am confused.

My H had an affair, and was gutted to be found out as a) he thought he was cleverer than that (Hah! He wishes!!) and b) he desperately didnt want me to kick him out.

But why? I have seen on MN where men get caught and beg to be given another chance and I dont understand why. If you are cheating then surely you have checked out of the marriage emotionally and/or sexually, so why not take advantage of not having to have the "I am lleaving you" conversation and just leave?

I genuinely dont get why so many people cheat but dont want to lose their marriages when they are found out.

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CouthyMowWearingOrange · 09/09/2012 22:56

On the dude? God knows what I typed, but Autocorrect is having fun tonight?!

CouthyMowWearingOrange · 09/09/2012 22:58

Possibly started to type : If that arrangement was ACCEPTABLE to both parties, I think...

bogeyface · 09/09/2012 23:04

couthy

Thats a very good point. When one person has an affair then they are making a decision about a marriage without the other person in the marriage. If you did that in business, or parenting, or finances then no one would consider that acceptable so I am shocked that anyone would suggest it is ok within a marriage!

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fiventhree · 09/09/2012 23:09

Missbopeep

You are wrong there. It is his take on it now, and it didnt come out of my actions or beliefs- we went to counselling at Relate and decided it for himself.

fiventhree · 09/09/2012 23:14

Quite, Bogeyface. The one type of relationship where it really should matter to give back to someone what they put on. And simply because they think that either they wont be found out or, if they are, that there wont be any painful consequences for them.

My h faced quite a few, and they were by any means all from me,. For example, two of the kids found out, because they were on his computer, and were less gullible than I was, and he was mortified.

Mrsgorgeous · 09/09/2012 23:19

He SAYS " I can't believe you've accused me of being with someone else....it's cut me in half.."

He THINKS: just because I've been in bed with her all day, I'm not going to tell you and spoil my fun.

He should have finished our marriage first, it would have hurt but would have been a kinder thing to do.
She couldn't believe it when I told her he had sent me a valentines card..." what, in his own handwriting"? Well YES that's what husbands and wives do and they sleep together too don't you know!

bogeyface · 09/09/2012 23:24

Mrs

His OW was shocked that he sent you a Valentines card? Why?! What was her take on the whole thing?

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bogeyface · 09/09/2012 23:25

Or was it a teenage "Write it with your left hand" crap type thing?

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Mrsgorgeous · 09/09/2012 23:45

She knew he was married but from what he'd told her the marriage was a sham. She had booked tickets for them both to go out to the theatre for valentines.
He didn't leave here until 25th February. That was the day he had been in bed with her all day but had denied having an affair to me.
The card he sent me wasn't as lovey dovey as usual, but if you read my thread ..Has he had a midlife crisis or is he just an idiot...you'll get more of an idea of my story. I think bogey that you posted on there too

sternface · 10/09/2012 00:32

I've read this thread all in one go and it seems to me it's been side-tracked by one of the most common myths about infidelity. The myth itself has undoubtedly contributed to Bogeyface's confusion and therefore her decision to start a thread about it.

The myth of course is that the reason for all affairs is because of a person's dissatisfaction and unhappiness in the relationship.

It is well-documented now that the reason for many affairs has got nothing to do with relationship dissatisfaction and that is backed up by extensive research and testimonies from people who've had affairs. Having worked with countless couples and individuals who are trying to deal out with the fall-out from infidelity, I completely agree that this is a very common, but 'hidden' type of affair.

A poster commented somewhere on this thread that an unfaithful husband might have a different take on it to his wife. Well let me tell you, I've spoken to lots of husbands - on their own and without their partners present - who are honest enough to admit that they weren't unhappy in their relationships before their affairs and cannot use this as an excuse or a reason for their actions. When their partners ask why they didn't communicate their unhappiness, they are honest enough to reply that there wasn't any unhappiness. In lots of couples, it was just an ego boost that was regarded as a bit of fun that would never be found out.

In answer to Bogeyface's initial question, that's why so many people don't want to leave their marriages, despite having an affair. It's because there was nothing much wrong with their marriages in the first place.

To be fair, I've also talked to lots of 'third parties' (mostly OW) who also struggle with this question. They cannot understand why a man is having an affair with them if they are happy at home and want to remain in their marriages (and some men are honest about that, at least.) They tie themselves in knots trying to overlay their own beliefs onto the situation, despite what the man is telling them.

It's also easy to spot the people who are staying in their marriages because of other reasons, such as finances, children, fear of independence or failure. It would be ridiculous to suggest that none of these factors has a bearing on why people want to stay in their marriages, but the thing that stands out with people whose affair wasn't because they were unhappy is that they want to stay because they love their partners deeply and never want to hurt them again.

I don't know your circumstances Bogeyface or the reasons your husband gave for his affair or why he wants to stay in his marriage, but if he's telling you that his affair wasn't because he wanted out or was fed up with your relationship, listen up. A lot of absolute twaddle is written about affairs that doesn't bear out what some of the people having them are saying (the honest ones at least Wink)

AThingInYourLife · 10/09/2012 05:52

Well none of the people having affairs are "the honest ones", are they, sternface?

Affairs are based on lies and self-deception.

How do you know that the person who was fine with lying to the person they love (or claim to love) has started being truthful?

I think people who say they would leave a marriage immediately if their partner cheated on them underestimate the devastation caused by such a betrayal.

I'm (thankfully) in the position of this only being a hypothecal, but I'm pretty sure that if I was to find out about an affair that my first instinct would be to stay and "fight".

I don't think that says anything about the strength of my marriage. It would be because if my world fell apart because of finding out that what I had believed to be reality was a fiction, I would cling onto that fiction and try to make it fact again.

Whether I could stay in the marriage long term would depend on my being convinced that what had happened didn't mean a lot.

How much self-deception would be involved in being convinced of that is debatable, but I suspect my relationship would always feel a little broken after that.

I don't think the "sex is meaningless and unimportant" argument would work for me, because sex isn't meaningless to me and I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life having meaningless sex with a man incapable of more.

Fairenuff · 10/09/2012 08:19

sternface if those men really loved their wives as much as they claim, they wouldn't have intentionally hurt them in the first place.

The 'love' these men think they have for their wives is conditional on them still being able to behave how they want without any consideration for her needs or feelings.

Getting caught and showing remorse just means that they feel sorry for themselves because they could potentially lose their home, their reliable partner and daily access to their children. But none of that mattered when they were cheating and getting away with it did it.

MissBoPeep · 10/09/2012 08:56

Faire

Might be worth your looking at the post by the OP yesterday when she replied to this:

Don't bother to say oh, if they loved them then they wouldn't have sex with someone else. It doesn't work like that.

I dont think anyone would say that, I know that my husband still loved me when he was having his affair.

What;s your comment on that then?
Is the OP wrong- or do you know best?

bogeyface · 10/09/2012 09:27

MissBo

I would like to say that while I know my husband loved me when he was having his affair, what was his idea of love? I believe him when he says he loved me, but what I dont know is what love is to him, whether it is the all consuming love I had for him, that meant I would have done anything rather than risk hurting him, or whether its the love with caveats that Faire mentions.

This has given me much to think about.

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EdMcDunnough · 10/09/2012 09:29

Just replying to Five, the person I know doesn't say those things about his wife, no. He talks about her sometimes, but it is a mixture of defending her (from whom I'm not sure) and discussing her background, like he's just waffling on, trying to understand her, to get across to me what she is like etc. Very little of it has ever been negative though there are sometimes issues.

I think if he said 'my wife is a cow, she is too needy, I can't bear it' I would think 'well leave her, you bastard, don't cheat on her'. I would think it really pathetic for him to blame her for any sort of infidelity he feels like committing.

As I see it, and I could be wrong, he does have strong feelings for her, and less strong feelings for me, and each of us accepts and loves certain aspects of him and make him feel - like you said - unconditionally loved, like a child needs, without the need to prove himself.

I think she requires more proving than I do, honestly, because I am also desperate for 'love' and approval so I am willing to provide that for him to a degree - also I do genuinely accept a lot of his character, and the behaviour I don't accept, I keep quiet about.

I don't think I could marry him, probably couldn't live with him either.
But as a confidant and a friend I get something out of it.

bogeyface · 10/09/2012 09:30

And I know it is bad form to discuss PM's on a thread but I have recieved one that has left me.......troubled.

Nothing abusive or anything like that, but it isnt sitting well with me :(

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bogeyface · 10/09/2012 09:34

As I see it, and I could be wrong, he does have strong feelings for her, and less strong feelings for me, and each of us accepts and loves certain aspects of him and make him feel - like you said - unconditionally loved, like a child needs, without the need to prove himself.

Sorry Ed, but when I read this my first thought was "I know him so well" from Chess. It does bother me that this doesnt bother you. Maybe you need to consider some counselling for yourself to help you deal with your own desperate need for love and affection that has led you into an emotional affair with a man that isnt available to you.

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AnyFucker · 10/09/2012 09:38

Bogey, report that pm if is troubling you

EdMcDunnough · 10/09/2012 10:05

Not surewhat the reference is Bogey, but thankyou for caring that I'm doing something that isn't good for me. I've had a lot of counselling over the years and am still messed up with relationships, I don't know if it would work to have any more as it feels like it will never be resolved.

Sorry you got a weirdy PM as well. I agree - report it to MNHQ or maybe click on the red hand thing next to it, that will block the person from doing it again.

bogeyface · 10/09/2012 10:19

Its not reportable AF, just tslightly upsetting that things can be excused so easily. I suppose it has just brought home to me how easy my H must have found it to justify what he did :(

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bogeyface · 10/09/2012 10:26

Ed the reference is a song from the musical Chess, where 2 women have a relationship with the same man. The OW (although she isnt, but for the purposes of this post it will do!) says that she loves him but he needs to be with his wife and family. His wife sings that she knows he needs his freedom and both sing about how well they know him, the implication being that neither of them really know him at all.

It just struck a chord with me.

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EdMcDunnough · 10/09/2012 10:31

Crikey Bogey that sounds like an uncomfortable musical to sit through Smile

I can see what you mean - was that the song sung by Barbara Dickson and Elaine Paige? I certainly remember that but had no idea what it was about Blush Think I was about 7.

Thanks for explaining. I am now cringing a bit!

bogeyface · 10/09/2012 10:49

It isnt just about that relationship, but yes that is the song. If you listen to it then I am sure you will get what i mean. I didnt mean to make you Blush!

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PostBellumBugsy · 10/09/2012 10:54

I see "love" is mentioned a fair bit in this thread. Someone says that they are sure their husband loved them when he had his affair. Hmmmm, I would say that depends on how you define love. To my mind, love is judged by how you treat a person. I don't think anyone who really loves someone has an affair. They may think they love that person, but if you pick beneath the surface, they don't really understand what love really is. My ex had an affair & claimed to "love" me. However, in order to have the affair, he lied to me, deceived me and treated me badly. I do not see how anyone can define that as love.
There are as many reasons people have affairs as there are people. Every relationship is different & has different dynamics. An affair, is an ongoing relationship with somone outside of the first relationship - it is not a one night stand. There are some broad categories of reasons for why it might happen, but I am pretty sure in all cases, the motivation for the affair is driven by self-interest.

fiventhree · 10/09/2012 10:55

'The 'love' these men think they have for their wives is conditional on them still being able to behave how they want without any consideration for her needs or feelings.'

That is it, exactly. Precisely. That is why I mentioned childish. It is not a mature love. It is how a troubled teenager acts when they cant have everything they want all the time.

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