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just found DH in DD's cot

232 replies

sleeplessbunny · 08/09/2012 01:49

where he had passed out drunk. I am still shaking. My first thought was "where is DD?" as I couldn't see her, he was taking up the whole cot. She was fine, curled up in the tiniest corner and hidden from view under (D)H's leg, but still.

There is no point trying to talk about it with him until the morning (or later) but I need to vent and try and get my own thoughts straight. This might be an epic post.

He has always drunk too much, it has got worse over the years though and now it is "normal" for him to have at least 1 bottle of wine every night. On a night like that it doesn't even cross my mind that he is drinking too much, his behaviour is usually fine, or at least unremarkable.

Since DD (1 yo) was born, he has given up smoking which he found very difficult and I think has contributed to his drinking getting worse. He used a particular book/technique to help him stop smoking and in the last couple of weeks he has bought the equivalent book for stopping drinking (but hasn't read it yet) so I am hopeful that he at least has the intention to stop. He has said on a few occasions that he wants to be able to cut down his drinking, but tbh I try not to engage him in conversation about either smoking or drinking as it always tends to end with an argument because our expectations are so different.

Anyway, obv tonight he drank way more than usual. I'm not entirely sure why, but SIL (his sister) and DN are here to visit, perhaps he just got carried away. But he was the only one drinking.

He must have come to bed about 11 ish (I had gone to bed early) but at around midnight he got up to go to the loo, made loads of noise, turned on all the lights etc etc. I was inwardly groaning and just waiting for him to come back to bed. Must have drifted off again and woke up with a start hearing weird noises on the baby monitor, went to investigate and found him sprawled in her cot.

Is it time for me to make a stand? I am so scared for DD right now, I am just thinking of all the other awful things he could have done without realising/thinking. He could so easily have just squashed her. What if he'd decided to take her out and dropped her? Am I an idiot for not having thought about this sort of thing before?

Right now I honestly don't feel safe with him in the house. I can't entertain the thought of going to sleep as I have to be awake to protect DD incase he does something else I haven't thought of. Am I over reacting?

My gut feeling right now is to tell him (in the morning) that he has to stop drinking or get out. To pour all the alcohol down the sink. But I know he can't stop, and so I'm scared of the outcome. I do love him, and 95% of the time his behaviour is fine.

WWYD?

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Margerykemp · 08/09/2012 07:22

I think you have to be careful here. I'm assuming he has parental R&R?

If you kick him out for this he is still going to have access to DD. which if you are not there is even more dangerous for her. The system's crazy, I know.

Personally I would have advised you not to pour away the alcohol because the decision to stop drinking has to come from him. Now your argument today will be about that (ie what you did) rather than what he did iyswim?

He has an illness and needs physical and psychological treatment. Given the amounts he is consuming it may actually be dangerous for him to suddenly abstain ( sudden alcohol withdrawal can be fatal). He will need medication to help him recover.

It is a good sign that he has recognised he has a problem and has a willingness to change. Now his next step needs to be to go to his GP.

He will probably need support through his withdrawal/ recovery so this will probably have a greater chance of success living at home with you unless he has another supportive relative he can stay with. If you can afford private rehab go for that.

If you throw him out and he ends up in a negative environment ( around other drinkers) he is less likely to recover and this isn't good for DD in the long run unless you intend to run away with her and stop contact between them.

There are charities which help relatives of alcoholics, I suggest you contact them.

Good luck.

Sirzy · 08/09/2012 07:24

You shouldn't feel worried about yours or your DDs safety in your own home.

I would be tempted to tell him he either accepts he has a problem (because needing drink everyday is a problem) and gets help or he gets out until he is willing to accept that.

Hope you get sorted soon

Offred · 08/09/2012 07:31

Margery - no court in the land is going to allow dd to be sent off with a drunk alcoholic! If he has contact he can have it supervised

Offred · 08/09/2012 07:37

I also don't agree that pouring away the drink was the wrong thing to do. You are saying to him that this house is a dry house because it is vital for dd's health and safety that the house is dry as he is a risk to her when drunk and if he needs alcohol he will have to do it elsewhere. So what if it is an addiction (it isn't an illness let's be clear), you don't have to enable the drinking or allow it in your house in order to be a supportive partner.

I don't think withdrawal will kill him either if he is just an evening drinker.Hmm

If necessary call social services op and ask for help from them, this will provide evidence that his drinking put his child at risk and he needs supervised access.

Offred · 08/09/2012 07:39

Just don't let him make it about you. I reckon whatever you did he would try to make it about you anyway.

GrasshopperNchipmunk · 08/09/2012 07:45

I'm really sorry this is happening to you Sad

I never talk about this, but 10 years ago my BIL got fell asleep and suffocated my baby nephew AngrySad It was on the sofa.

Getting inside the cot is unforgivable.

You are not overreacting. If it was my DH, he would be out on his ear, until I could feel safe around him.

GrasshopperNchipmunk · 08/09/2012 07:48

BIL was drunk btw... Whoops forgot to put that in Blush

KenDoddsDadsDog · 08/09/2012 07:53

He could have killed your baby.
I wouldn't give a shit if I was sending him to a 'negative environment' at this point in time.

ErikNorseman · 08/09/2012 07:56

Grasshopper :( I'm so sorry xxx

Offred · 08/09/2012 07:58

Exactly kendodd's and wtf? sending him? If he was at the stage of alcoholism where nearly killing his child didn't shock him enough to make him choose to stay away from his stupid alcy mates then he would be a lost cause...

That post is so damaging from margerykemp because it tries to position the op as responsible for and in control of the alcoholic's drinking. fucking illness my foot

It is not the time to be taking on the position of carer/rehab. I don't think that is ever the partners' job tbh. Now is the time to protect dd.

dysfunctionalme · 08/09/2012 08:08

Alcoholics lie.

My ex is an A&D counsellor/yes addiction therapist. Does he admit to having a problem? Hell no. He minimises/blames/denies/lies.

You can't fix 'em and you'd be wasting your energy even trying.

Just look out for you & baby

ArtexMonkey · 08/09/2012 08:19

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GrasshopperNchipmunk · 08/09/2012 08:22

Thanks Erik.

See people know the dangers... But just don't think that it will happen to them Sad

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 08/09/2012 08:34

Never mind how cross he is at you throwing away his alcohol, YOU will be even crosser at him for putting your child in DANGER.

hope he is full of remorse and this is the wake-up call he needs.

Good luck sleepless

solidgoldbrass · 08/09/2012 08:47

If he refuses to leave, have a chat with Women's Aid and/or Social Services about having him forcibly removed. You can get rid of an alcoholic from the house, with police and court backing, even if he isn't physically violent yet.

NoMoreDoormat · 08/09/2012 08:47

Best of luck for today x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/09/2012 08:49

The 3cs re alcoholism:-

You did not cause it
You cannot control it
You cannot cure it

There are no guarantees re alcoholism; he could lose everything and still drink afterwards.

You are NOT responsible for him although you likely think you are (hence the codependency)

This will not be the wake up call he needs either. His primary relationship is with drink. He has and continues to put alcohol first; his main priority is drink and nothing and no-one else matters to him.

He is not at all serious about dealing with his alcohol problem and talking to him will be about as effective as spitting in the ocean.

You cannot help someone like this, the will to do so has to come from within them and like many alcoholics he is in complete denial of the problem. Coercion of any sort on your part will not work.

I would advise you directly to start separation proceedings.
Put yourself and your child first. Do not bring up your DD in a household where one parent is alcoholic; she won't thank you for doing so and she could even end up with a whole raft of emotional issues as a result.

You have a choice re him; your DD does not.

Would suggest you contact Al-anon as they are helpful to family members of problem drinkers. You are also playing a role in his alcoholism as well; that of enabler and codependent. You need to understand what you are doing yourself here and why you are acting as you are. What you have written is typical of women with alcoholic men.

Read Codependent No More by Melodie Beattie.

Fairenuff · 08/09/2012 08:51

bunny I am so sorry that you are in this awful situation.

Don't be surprised if you find yourself in shock today. The reality of what could so easily have happened will probably hit you with a full force.

You have had an extremely lucky escape. Please don't let him minimise the danger he put your dd in. He must get help today.

I would agree that you insist on a dry house. This is not unreasonable under the circumstances. If he resists, I would ask him to leave.

Anything else is just not worth the risk.

There is plenty of help out there for him when he is ready to accept it x

anniewoo · 08/09/2012 08:52

Thinking of you this morning sleeplessbunny and hoping he realises the seriousness ofwhat he did and gets help. Be brave- you have great support here. Wasn't eandh amazing .

LexieSinclair · 08/09/2012 08:53

OP I think things have changed for you now because he has actually put your DD in danger. I would point out to him in no uncertain terms the possible consequences of his actions and tell him that unless he sorts out his drinking to endure this never happens again you will have no choice but to kick him out/leave him to protect your children. It worked for me when I had a similar problem with DH's drinking. He never got into a state like that again.

Margerykemp · 08/09/2012 08:55

But offred what will happen in real life ( ie not how you would expect or what would be best) is that he will get unsupervised access and that will endanger DD.

The op will need proof that he endangered DD. her DP could easily deny the cot incident in court.

If SS get involved the op could been seen as culpable for allowing someone she knew was an alcoholic to be around her DD. the system stinks that she could be treated like that but that is how it could unfold. DD could be removed from both of them if he keeps drinking and she doesn't manage to keep him out of the house. It depends on the housing situation. If he has the right to stay there and there has been no violence she will have to leave.

That is why I have suggested helping him to stop at home.

He has evidenced that he wants to change and that is half of the battle. I would give different advice if he was unwilling to change.

lemonstartree · 08/09/2012 08:58

Sadly I too have had experience of living with an alcoholic (and at separate time drug addicted) partner.

He wont stop unless HE knows it is wrong/bad having a negative effect on is life. And sadly things often have to hit rock bottom before the addict has any capacity to recognise what they are doing.

My ex H took our then 11 year old out one evening, to central London, and go so pissed he got chucked out of a club and couldnt get home. I kicked him out he net morning. He was a total c8nt in a lot of ways, and I should have done it years before. We are now divorced, and he still doesnt accept responsibiity for anything. He doe superficially, but deep down hes still an entitled, selfish, childish twat.

Gather your strength. TELL people IRL what is happening - I hadn't for some stupid reason - shame? misguided loyalty ? but your loyalty needs to be towards DD who cannot protect herself.

ask him to go, today. and give yourself some breathing space...

Offred · 08/09/2012 08:59

No margery that is not "what will happen in real life". FFS!!!! How the hell do you think you are even helping? Have you even got any personal experience of this?!

My ex had supervised contact in a contact centre and then with family members/at a children's centre with no "proof".

Things in family court can never be proved they are always allegations and the court normally errs on the side of caution and allows less supervision as time goes on if the NRP proves responsible.

Offred · 08/09/2012 09:00

Your plan of allowing him to drink in the home is what SS would be concerned about because it is actually fucking mental. This is someone's real life you know not some forum for your bitterness and helplessness at "the system"... Jeez...

Offred · 08/09/2012 09:02

It isn't anything to do with keeping him out of the house btw but keeping dd safe. That means insisting on a dry house and letting him choose what he does about that.

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