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just found DH in DD's cot

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sleeplessbunny · 08/09/2012 01:49

where he had passed out drunk. I am still shaking. My first thought was "where is DD?" as I couldn't see her, he was taking up the whole cot. She was fine, curled up in the tiniest corner and hidden from view under (D)H's leg, but still.

There is no point trying to talk about it with him until the morning (or later) but I need to vent and try and get my own thoughts straight. This might be an epic post.

He has always drunk too much, it has got worse over the years though and now it is "normal" for him to have at least 1 bottle of wine every night. On a night like that it doesn't even cross my mind that he is drinking too much, his behaviour is usually fine, or at least unremarkable.

Since DD (1 yo) was born, he has given up smoking which he found very difficult and I think has contributed to his drinking getting worse. He used a particular book/technique to help him stop smoking and in the last couple of weeks he has bought the equivalent book for stopping drinking (but hasn't read it yet) so I am hopeful that he at least has the intention to stop. He has said on a few occasions that he wants to be able to cut down his drinking, but tbh I try not to engage him in conversation about either smoking or drinking as it always tends to end with an argument because our expectations are so different.

Anyway, obv tonight he drank way more than usual. I'm not entirely sure why, but SIL (his sister) and DN are here to visit, perhaps he just got carried away. But he was the only one drinking.

He must have come to bed about 11 ish (I had gone to bed early) but at around midnight he got up to go to the loo, made loads of noise, turned on all the lights etc etc. I was inwardly groaning and just waiting for him to come back to bed. Must have drifted off again and woke up with a start hearing weird noises on the baby monitor, went to investigate and found him sprawled in her cot.

Is it time for me to make a stand? I am so scared for DD right now, I am just thinking of all the other awful things he could have done without realising/thinking. He could so easily have just squashed her. What if he'd decided to take her out and dropped her? Am I an idiot for not having thought about this sort of thing before?

Right now I honestly don't feel safe with him in the house. I can't entertain the thought of going to sleep as I have to be awake to protect DD incase he does something else I haven't thought of. Am I over reacting?

My gut feeling right now is to tell him (in the morning) that he has to stop drinking or get out. To pour all the alcohol down the sink. But I know he can't stop, and so I'm scared of the outcome. I do love him, and 95% of the time his behaviour is fine.

WWYD?

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lou33 · 08/09/2012 02:58

I don't think you should try and see the funny side at all. I do think you have to use this to try to make him see how bad and potentially dangerous his drinking has become.

From someone who was with a man for 17.5 years (married for 10.5), who started out as a person who liked to drink a lot, but just socially, and spiralled downhill into a full blown alcoholic, I can tell you that it is more likely to get worse rather than better.

My now exh also used to claim he would cut down, and sometimes even stopped drinking completely for self imposed periods of time. But it wasn't really because he felt he had a problem or wanted to stop, it was because in his mind it showed him that I was over reacting, and real alcoholics would not be able to take a break. Which is complete rubbish, and I found it very telling that he would count down the days until he could have a drink again, and it would start all over again.

This went on for years before I managed to end the marriage. He would make my life a misery when he came home drunk, making a point of trying to get me in floods of tears, and he would never ever acknowledge how it made me and the children feel, I was the one who was unreasonable to him.

The more he started drinking the more controlling he became to me. He started complaining about how I dressed, saying I was deliberately trying to get men to look at me, and he wanted his wife to be invisible, and that was when I was just in jeans and a t shirt, everyday clothing.

One evening when I had gone with him to a pub, grudgingly, he instructed me that I was not to look anywhere but at him , and to keep my legs pointed in his direction the whole time, and not to talk to anyone else. I looked at the door once when someone walked in, as you do, and as soon as we left he got so angry about it, i was in tears within minutes. But to the rest of the world he was mr personality, it was only me who saw the real side of his drinking.

The final straw was when he was helping on a brief school trip with ds1, and was meant to come back by midday. But he didnt. Half an hour before the end of the school day i managed to get hold of him. He was v drunk, and meant to be collecting the kids by car. After the usual I am not drunk just tired conversation, I told him he must not drive, but walk to get them (I was too far away to collect them by this time). Ten minutes later he arrived with them. He had driven in that state to the school, picked them up and driven home.

I knew then that whatever he said he would always put alcohol over us. I just wish I hadnt waited so long to act, but the fact he willingly put our children, and all the parents and children at the school, in so much danger because of his drinking was terrifying.

Almost 7 years later and he still refuses to admit he is an alcoholic, despite it getting worse, despite being told by doctors to quit, and actually said to me a year ago he would not give up even for the children, as it is his only pleasure.

You do not want to end up in that same place with your h, you and your dd deserves so much more from him .

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StuntGirl · 08/09/2012 03:12

bunny You are absolutely not over-reacting simply because you don't drink.

I don't drink either (same reason as you - no big drama with alcohol I'm just not that into it) and I dated a guy who I later found out had an alcohol problem. He would get (inexplixably to me it seemed) very angry if I ever so much as mentioned him drinking/being drunk. I never once mentioned it negatively or anything, sometimes I was just relaying a story about the night before or something funny he did while drunk. He'd get angry because he couldn't remember and thought, I don't know, that I was lording my sobriety and self control over him? He really didn't like it, but I soon learned it was his problem not mine.

Don't let him try and minimise your fears just because you don't drink. Your fears are legitimate. Tonight was a wake up call for both of you. It's no over statement to say he could have killed your daughter.

I'm very glad though that things turned out ok this time. I hope you can both work through this.

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sleeplessbunny · 08/09/2012 03:26

thanks everyone for your messages. I have just poured it all away so there is no getting away from a blazing row about it tomorrow. We will see what that brings.

I think tonight is the first time I have seen it as something that is dangerous for DD, rather than a problem for him/me/our relationship. It puts it into a different perspective for me, and my first duty has to be to protect DD, whatever he says/feels/promises.

lou thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry you went through that. It's not what anyone wants for their life, is it? i am trying to keep my eyes open but it's hard, I just want to have a happy normal family. When things are OK, which is mostly the case, it's so easy to pretend nothing's wrong.

Must try to get some sleep now.

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ChasedByBees · 08/09/2012 03:39

Wow. I would have to tell him to leave until he'd sorted his drinking. The house needs to be safe for your DD and he could well have killed her. There's no funny side here.

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dysfunctionalme · 08/09/2012 03:51

That is absolutely dreadful and he could easily have killed your daughter. A drunk adult and an infant is a very dangerous combination in a big bed, never mind a cot. What utterly reprehensible behaviour.

I would actually ask him to leave.

My ex did similar - fell into drunken stupors leaving doors open at night, drove drunk etc. I couldn't keep myself, the children or the house safe with him around so I asked him to leave.

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2wwmadness · 08/09/2012 03:56

Ladies (I am replying to the op of the other drunk thread to) I have just left me drunk stbxh who refused to get help for the sake of my 17 week old ds. What was the point, I have one child, why do I need another in the form of him?
It is scary and frustrating dealing with drunk partners. There is no point trying to reason when drunk, do you have a record facility on your phone? I recorded his vile drunk ness and played yet back to him. Told him to get help or I'm gone. He continued drinking (putting thousands in credit card) so I left.
I don't regret it, things have been tough but my son is safe, I'm happier without the stress. He is still a massive twunt.
This will get worse. Or they will love, value and respect themselves, you and your children to get help. In the morning, could you sit down and talk about it? How wild they respond?

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LoopyLoopsOlympicHoops · 08/09/2012 04:05

Just a quick message to wish you courage xx

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OpheliasWeepingWillow · 08/09/2012 04:10

Good luck OP. He could easily have crushed her Sad

Short of putting your a bed in her room and locking the door from the inside at night I don't know what the next step is aside from him stopping drinking completely. It's very very easy to pour one glass and end up drinking six.

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mathanxiety · 08/09/2012 04:10

'I am wondering how long it will be before that is me. Sad'

Is that Sad because you don't see an way you can do that soon, or because you value this relationship and don't really want it to end, or because you value the potential but not the reality right now?

You are married to an alcoholic who would argue with you and not leave the bed to sleep on the floor, cause a blazing row when you pour away his precious booze. He won't want to hear about putting the baby in danger.

He could have killed her but he won't want to hear that.

'I just want to have a happy normal family. When things are OK, which is mostly the case, it's so easy to pretend nothing's wrong.'
What is it going to take for you to decide you are not doing this any more? By 'doing this' I mean seeing the fantasy and not the reality.

Do you want him to change while you suffer on, your child growing up and thinking this is a normal home and family and this is what men do -- or are you willing to do whatever it takes for you to get strong enough to go it alone?

Right now you are married to a fantasy man who does not exist and he is having a full on affair with alcohol right in front of your eyes.

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tiddleypompom · 08/09/2012 04:13

Good luck for tomorrow op, poor you having to deal with this selfish man & upsetting situation. I am no expert at all but have heard from a friend with first hand experience that throwing away the booze doesn't work as a method to stop the drinker drinking - they'll always get more if none already hidden & he will have to choose to quit it himself for it to work long term. It'll certainly mark the occasion however, and indicare your seriousness that this must change.

It may be a long and tough road for you whilst he tries/fails/tries & only you can say if he's worth it - and if you are comfortable with him in the same house as your dd meantime.

I am a bit sleep deprived myself right now so hopefully you're asleep on your floor and proper advice (and strength) will follow in a few hours.

All the best.

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SapphireandFevertree · 08/09/2012 04:22

Good luck OP. I lived with this from the children's point of view dealing with an alcoholic (and very aggressive) father. He didn't (and still doesn't) have any insight into how repulsive and dangerous he is when drunk.

Just a word of warning- if hes drinking at least a bittle of wine a night then hes getting through 70+ units a week. if he's drinking as much as it sounds like and he just stops there is a risk he might go into withdrawal in a couple of days which could be dangerous for him and your family (confusion, hallucinations, aggression, fits etc). You need medical help ASAP.

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Napdamnyou · 08/09/2012 04:25

Your reactions and instincts (being scared, not feeling safe, shaking) are spot on. You have seen the terrible and terrifying risk to your infant daughter from a drunk adult male crushing himself into her small sleeping space and losing consciousness. It is a line crossed.

She wasn't safe and could have died.

I don't think you can have him live with you until he understands this and until he wants to stop being this risk to your daughter and this threat to your family.

I'm so sorry for you.

But you can't protect her and him. She is only little and he is a grown up.
You need to protect her.

You know what you need to do.

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ErikNorseman · 08/09/2012 06:33

I felt suck when I read that. He could have killed her. And why should your precious innocent baby have to be exposed to disgusting, smelly drunk daddy in her cot?
Good luck today. I hope you realise he won't give up drink without a fight and if you give an inch he'll be back to exactly the same behaviour. This could lead to you breaking up. He's an alcoholic and you must not raise your daughter in that environment. He has shown he can't keep it away from her - you can.

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ErikNorseman · 08/09/2012 06:33

sick

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AquaChoc · 08/09/2012 06:43

Oh sweetie, you cannot have this man in your house while he continues to drink, you can tell him if it means choosing between having a husband who drinks and a dead baby, then you are going to choose the life and health of your child over his drinking EVERY.TIME.

I dont know what its like where you live (UK?) but here in Australia and also in America I have seen reports of babies being smothered/asphyxiated to death by a drunk parent sleeping next to them, it is also considered a major crime and if anything happened to your DD he WILL be charged with manslaughter at least, as has happened to other parents who have killed their children this way.

Honestly, if the fact that he put his own DD in danger of being killed BY him, doesnt give him a HUGE wake-up call then nothing is, he can walk straight out the door if it was my husband.
I know you love him and/or you are scared of bringing this up with him, but honestly the life of your DD is at stake now, all bets are off and he is OUT until he is competely sober. I simply would not risk my kids lives over alcohol.

I am glad to see you tipped out all the booze, sending you strength and courage to stand your ground and do what is right for you and your DD. Good luck.

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BabylonPI · 08/09/2012 06:49

I have nothing useful to add, but reading that made me feel really sick for your dd Sad He could quite easily have suffocated her Angry

I hope he has the mother of all hangovers today, though I suspect he won't Angry

And well done for pouring away the rest of his stash.

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GColdtimer · 08/09/2012 06:52

Good luck for today op. He will either be horrified by his actions and glad you poured the booze away and will get help. Or he will tell you you were overreacting, be angry with you and make a huge joke out if it. If he does the latter I think I would ask him to leave until he could stay sober.

What is your relationship Luke with his sister? Would she back you up? I think I would tell her if she is staying with you.

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GColdtimer · 08/09/2012 06:53

I meant to say that sadly I think the former response us unlikely. You are going to have to stay so strong in the face of him minimising his behaviour and telling you you are being a drama queen.

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FannyFifer · 08/09/2012 06:59

Another person horrified to think of what could have happened.
You really have no option now, it's make or break time, he must address his issues with alcohol, admit he has a problem or he should leave.
I'm so sorry for you and your little DD. Sad

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eandh · 08/09/2012 07:03

This brings back some memories, dh was like this for years it got worse after the dd's arrived but he would drink almost every night (more at weekends) it got to the point where I barely went out for 2 years as I was scared to leave him in charge of dd's (I would get them to sleep if I went out ands tailgates etc would prevent accidents but a few times I got home he would be passed out on sofa so if they had woken he wouldn't have known)

Like you many times I tried to talk to him, he didn't see the problem I was overreacting or would get the 'I won't do it again ' line, I tried to say of he was drinking he had to stay at friends all it did was encourage him to get even more drunk and we wouldn't see him as he would be sleeping it off at mates (his best mate was getting divorced at the time so had a flat which became the place to be!) I also did the not buying drink, throwing it away (didn't work he would buy more and hide it till I went to bed then drink more!)

2 years ao it go unbearable I didn't want to be with him, I didn't want my daughters to see him like this (also did t want him to be able to have them on his own if we seperated as didn't trust him) my life existed around his drinking and the after effects it had on us. He left in August saying he needed some time (the discovered that he had started an affair but that's a whole other issue!) a few months after ( he on,y saw the dd's now and again after school or if I took them to his mum and dads but at the time drinking and ow were more important he missed dd1 6th birthday because of this) by November he had made the decision that drinking was taking over his life, he ended the affair and sort help through doctor for drinking. The main thing was it had to be his decision I still do not know to this day what made him decide that drink had got too much (he still doesn't know but I expect the fact that the dd's were not even bothered about seeing him anymore may be a huge factor plus he could see how much happier I was without him, I think he thought I would fall apart without him and the opposite happened, lost weight, had hair done, started going out as my mum and dad would have girls alternate weekends for me, girls thrived at school/preschool as there was no tension or atmosphere at home they didn't have to creep around not to wake daddy/disturb him etc etc they became children again(they were 6 and 4) dd1 remembers seeing dh drunk and passed out and remembers the rows/arguments about drinking, or how he could be unreasonable and argumentative when drinking thankfully dd2 doesn't remember !

He went to one to one counselling for a while, it took a long time to adjust and he had a few occasions where he relapsed (lied about it saying he hadn't been but I knew the minute I spoke to him if he had been drinking) there were times I asked him to stay at in laws if he had been drinking (they were supportive but they also found it hard to adjust that their son had a drink problem especially as they are very sociable drinkers) he has been sober properly for over a year now. He attends through choice a weekly meeting for people with addiction problems (not just drink) he tried aa but wasnt for him.

The meetings remind him of what he could lose, there are people there that have lost jobs, homes, families etc all because of drink. He is 99% sure he'll never drink again but the meetings refocus him each week. He has always enjoyed sport/cycling etc and now competes in triathlons (the compromise on not drinking is that he does spend a lot of time training but he like today he went out on bike at 6.30 be back by 9am the we have the day together as family, he is happy as he has been training I am happy as he is home early enough not to ruin the day and dd's are happy as they have a fully functioning , interactive dad who noes plays with them, takes them to the park, swimming, on their bikes etc (this never happened when he was drinking as always recovering!) sorry that was really. Long but just wanted you to know people have been where you are, I was there for years and it's hard and they don't understand but until he makes the decision that his drinking is uncontrollable and causing hurt etc to you he will not stop :0(

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TwllBach · 08/09/2012 07:10

Just to add my voice to the support OP xx

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eandh · 08/09/2012 07:12

Excuse typos on the iPad! Lastly I forgot tomsaynfor a long time he didn't tell people why he wasn't drinking if we were out (would just say that he was driving, had early start etc) the counsellor then spoke to him saying telling people why was art of the steps to accepting his addiction, he sent a txt to all his close friends (the were all very social drinkers and he grew up with these men they had been friends for 25+ years since primary school) most of them were supportive, a few didn't reply (I assume they did not know how to respond) but one accused me of hacking his phone and sending the message, dh phoned him to explain that it was him, his friend didn't understand why he couldn't have the odd pint (dh problem was he couldn't ever just have one or two if he was drinking it was all or nothing) that friend no longer contacts dh, doesn't send Christmas/birthday cards etc dh was upset at time but now says its his lost he isn't tying to stop anyone else drinking just let them know that if he was out with them that he would not be drinking and it also stops the 'go on mate just have a pint' pressure!

Lastly like you I do not drink, never been over bothered by it, and when he was drinking heavily I wanted to ensure the dd's always had one parent who was coherent and alert and in an emergency I could drive them somewhere. The last 18months have been the happiest of my relationship with dh (been together 16 years since I was 16)

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AllOverIt · 08/09/2012 07:14

Good luck today OP. Smile

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Offred · 08/09/2012 07:16

I hope you are getting some sleep in preparation. Another one here who felt absolutely sick for your dd being put at risk of death in such a stupid, stupid way. It really is a miracle she wasn't hurt, even if she escaped from crushing he could have kicked her or any number of things Sad poor poor babySad

I agree with others who say if he doesn't understand that this is a total game changer he will have to leave. DO NOT laugh it off, bloody well done for pouring all the alcohol away.

In these circumstances I think it is absolutely the right thing to do to insist on a "dry" house. No alcohol and no drunk DH. Be strong and get more angry. X

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Ihaveaveryleakybrain · 08/09/2012 07:17

Well done on chucking the alcohol bunny I hope today goes as well as it can. I've packed a bag (or several) but am now totally unsure what to do! Still (fairly) full of resolve about ending it but it does make me feel a bit sick. However I suppose the bottom lone is that I felt very frightened in the night and don't ever want to feel scared in my own home again. Good luck...

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